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To: delchiante

Of course, they are bad people and bad Catholics.

They SHOULD be denied Communion for their support of abortion, gay marriage, and a number of other crimes.

The notorious homosexual, Cardinal Donald Wuerl, Archbishop of Washington, refuses to deny Communion to pro-abortion “Catholics” because they could easily end his career by giving the press permission to do so.

Which means that, although I believe the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Christ, it is reasonable for a non-Catholic, in the face of the corruption and weakness of a man like Wuerl, to say: This institution is not a truth-telling institution.


28 posted on 01/23/2014 10:15:38 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Arthur McGowan

If there was stats that said catholics didn’t vote for pelosi, biden or cuomo, I would have a little more respect for the followers..now I am just guessing but they probably do all right on election days with catholic voters...

I know I don’t really need those stats because we have the liberal northeast, with probably the largest concentration of ‘Catholics’ in the country outside of the major cities with latinos in Texas or California.(just guessing).. and those are deep, deep, blue.. every election... liberals are always liberals first...

So something pelosi, biden and cuomo and the like is selling appeals to catholics...


37 posted on 01/23/2014 10:34:50 PM PST by delchiante
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To: Arthur McGowan
They SHOULD be denied Communion for their support of abortion, gay marriage, and a number of other crimes.

They, the Kennedys, Catholic political leaders from around the nation, they go to the Vatican and take communion, when they die the Catholic church gives them grand funerals and recognition, they meet with their Pope.

They aren't in trouble, they are the image of the denomination, they represent the party of most Catholics.

39 posted on 01/23/2014 10:40:25 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Arthur McGowan
They SHOULD be denied Communion for their support of abortion, gay marriage, and a number of other crimes. The notorious homosexual, Cardinal Donald Wuerl, Archbishop of Washington, refuses to deny Communion to pro-abortion “Catholics” because they could easily end his career by giving the press permission to do so.

But that is simply your interpretation of such laws as Canon 915, yet it is the Roman magisterium, which RCs point us to as the sure means of truth, that interprets itself, and a with Canon 1184, unless overruled by higher authorities, the local ordinaries interpretation stands. For you have no infallible interpreter of your infallible interpreter.

And as Rome treats such souls as Teddy K (whom the pope wrote back to without any apparent reproof, but an apostolic blessing, and thanking him for his prayers) as members in life and in death, so this manifests what it really believes, as per James 2:18, and so you must count them as brethren.

*"...there's a question about whether this canon'' – the relevant church law – "was ever intended to be used'' to bring politicians to heel. He thinks not. "I stand with the great majority of American bishops and bishops around the world in saying this canon was never intended to be used this way.'' -- from the thread [Archbishop] Wuerl: Why I Won't Deny Pelosi Communion

Albany Bishop Howard Hubbard says it is "unfair and imprudent" to conclude that Gov. Andrew Cuomo and his girlfriend, Sandra Lee, shouldn't receive Communion simply because they're living together. -- from the thread Bishop: None of your business (Hubbard rejects Catholic expert's criticism of Gov. Cuomo)

[Archbishop Timothy Dolan] also does not outright deny the sacrament to dissenting Catholic lawmakers, yet he is seen as an outspoken defender of church orthodoxy in a style favored by many theological conservatives. -- from the thread US bishops elect NYC archbishop as head in upset (Catholic bloggers blamed) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2711746/posts?page=289#289

446 posted on 01/25/2014 5:45:47 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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