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To: CynicalBear; DouglasKC; teppe; Normandy; StormPrepper

We seem to have an increased presence lately of those who either think scripture is insufficient and needs additions or who think scripture already has too many additions or errors. It should be known by all that those contentions should be red flags of deception coming. If we can’t rely on God preserving His word for us today as HE would have it we have nothing.

Let it be know by all that anyone who casts doubt on the infallibility of scripture as it has been handed down to us today in the original Hebrew and Greek language will by me be considered to be from Satan and not from God.

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BTW the Bible was put together by MEN not the Holy Ghost for there was much contention among them when deciding among them what to include or NOT we living today really don’t know what went on only hearsay...

We are leaning it took many, many years to do this before all was canonized

How and when was the canon of the Bible put together?
http://www.gotquestions.org/canon-Bible.html

Now the content of the Books contain the word of God is only as accurate as the scribes translated them, Even Jesus has trouble in his conversations with the scribes and Pharisees and Sadducees.

PHOPHECY OF THE COMING OF THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL..

Rev 14 6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

HOW CAN YOU SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES WHEN SO MANY ARE MISSING?

John 5:39 ¶Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

LOST BOOKS

The so-called lost books of the Bible are those documents that are mentioned in the Bible in such a way that it is evident they were considered authentic and valuable but that are not found in the Bible today. Sometimes called missing scripture, they consist of at least the following: book of the Wars of the Lord (Num. 21:14); book of Jasher (Josh. 10:13; 2 Sam. 1:18); book of the acts of Solomon (1 Kgs. 11:41); book of Samuel the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Gad the seer (1 Chr. 29:29); book of Nathan the prophet (1 Chr. 29:29; 2 Chr. 9:29); prophecy of Ahijah (2 Chr. 9:29); visions of Iddo the seer (2 Chr. 9:29; 12:15; 13:22); book of Shemaiah (2 Chr. 12:15); book of Jehu (2 Chr. 20:34); sayings of the seers (2 Chr. 33:19); an epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, earlier than our present 1 Corinthians (1 Cor. 5:9); possibly an earlier epistle to the Ephesians (Eph. 3:3); an epistle to the Church at Laodicea (Col. 4:16); and some prophecies of Enoch, known to Jude (Jude 1:14).

To these rather clear references to inspired writings other than our current Bible may be added another list that has allusions to writings that may or may not be contained within our present text but may perhaps be known by a different title; for example, the book of the covenant (Ex. 24:7), which may or may not be included in the current book of Exodus; the manner of the kingdom, written by Samuel (1 Sam. 10:25); the rest of the acts of Uzziah written by Isaiah (2 Chr. 26:22).

The foregoing items attest to the fact that our present Bible does not contain all of the word of the Lord that He gave to His people in former times and remind us that the Bible, in its present form, is rather incomplete.

Matthew’s reference to a prophecy that Jesus would be a Nazarene (2:23) is interesting when it is considered that our present Old Testament seems to have no statement as such. There is a possibility, however, that Matthew alluded to Isa. 11:1, which prophesies of the Messiah as a Branch from the root of Jesse, the father of David. The Hebrew word for branch in this case is netzer, the source word of Nazarene and Nazareth. Additional references to the Branch as the Savior and Messiah are found in Jer. 23:5; 33:15; Zech. 3:8; 6:12; these use a synonymous Hebrew word for branch, tzemakh.


445 posted on 01/15/2014 11:16:31 AM PST by restornu (Luke 24:39... for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have)
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To: DouglasKC; teppe; Normandy; StormPrepper

We live at a time when the Restoration of ALL thing shall be made known in the Earth....

Truth will will out!

This silliness will STOP!


446 posted on 01/15/2014 11:22:11 AM PST by restornu (Luke 24:39... for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have)
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To: DouglasKC; teppe; Normandy; StormPrepper

Everyone has a version and only the Holy Ghost can edify which is which I gave one in the post but here are a few more they all differ.

Council of Nicea: How To Know Who’s Telling You the Truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1pvmZqIBMQ#t=15

The Truth about the Council of Nicaea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSKBGdv07nQ


448 posted on 01/15/2014 11:34:28 AM PST by restornu (Luke 24:39... for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have)
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To: restornu; CynicalBear; DouglasKC; teppe; Normandy; StormPrepper; All
The foregoing items attest to the fact that our present Bible does not contain all of the word of the Lord that He gave to

Even if EVERYthing you claim here is "so," how does that change anything?

(And I respectfully request a direct answer...and not some veer-off in another direction response)

By Joseph Smith's own account, part of the so-called "Book of Mormon tramslation" was lost, was it not?

So...if the Book of Mormon "does not contain all of the word of the Lord that He gave"...

...why do you limit your castigations from this angle to the Bible, Restornu?

Why don't you use this same rant-and-rave angle to attempt to bring ill-repute upon the Book of Mormon -- given the Harris' subtraction to the point where Joseph Smith claimed he had to give only an "abridged" version?

Is it because the Book of Mormon is PR-precious to you, and (perhaps) the Bible isn't?

Why don't you treat the Book of Mormon with the same "discount double-check" treatment you give the Bible?


449 posted on 01/15/2014 11:57:49 AM PST by Colofornian (The Spirit HIMSELF [not itself] testifies w/our spirit...we ARE [not will be] GodÂ’s children Rom8:1)
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To: restornu; Elsie; All
BTW the Bible was put together by MEN not the Holy Ghost...

BTW, the Mormon Doctrine & Covenants was put together by ONE MAN...(not the Holy Ghost)

(Yet you still see the D&C as authoritative, eh, Restornu?)

And, as for the Book of Mormon, if it was given by God, then who authorized the Mormon leaders to make over 4,000 changes in the text?

Even in just 7 years from the Book of Mormon being published, Smith removed 47 "it came to pass" phrases from the original 1830 edition. (This was admitted to by BYU in 1994: Original Language of the Book of Mormon: Upstate New York Dialect, King James English, or Hebrew?

See also: WHY HAS BOOK OF MORMON GONE THROUGH SO MANY CHANGES SINCE IT WAS TRANSLATED DIRECTLY FROM TABLETS? from Hebrew-translation.org

450 posted on 01/15/2014 12:09:27 PM PST by Colofornian (The Spirit HIMSELF [not itself] testifies w/our spirit...we ARE [not will be] GodÂ’s children Rom8:1)
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To: restornu; DouglasKC; Colofornian; metmom; boatbums; smvoice
Now where did you cut and paste that from but didn’t give attribution?

Now as to those “books” referenced. Did the apostles or the Jewish leaders consider them scripture and preserve them? NO. Did Jesus ever quote them and say “it is written”? NO. Did God see fit to preserve them for us today? NO.

Please look at my statement again.

“If we can’t rely on God preserving His word for us today as HE would have it we have nothing.”

Now we know that there are many other writings of the time. Josephus obviously comes to mind. Were they considered inspired of God and thus scripture. NO.

Does scripture tell us we have enough? YES.

2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Do we know that the scripture we have today comes from God? YES.

2 Peter 1:21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

Were we warned about those who come with something other than is found in scripture? YES.

Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.

Was scripture “once and for all” delivered and should we stand by that? YES.

Jude 3 Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.

Were we told how to deal with those who come with “another gospel”? YES.

Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.

453 posted on 01/15/2014 12:29:38 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: restornu

Good luck at getting your buds into this thread.

They wouldn’t come when I called them...


501 posted on 01/15/2014 2:55:40 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear; Elsie

The lost books of the Mormons...

The JST...

The Joseph Smith Translation of the Christian Bible..

OH NOOOOOOOOOEZ


549 posted on 01/15/2014 6:14:22 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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