Posted on 01/12/2014 7:49:32 PM PST by restornu
without doing your homework for you....the verses said something like ....I give unto you the keys to the kingdom of Heaven...whatsoever you shall bind on Earth shall be bound in Heaven, whatsoever you shall loose on Earth shall be loosed in Heaven.........now you don't suppose that Christ would have allowed His church to err on Earth and then have to change the rules in Heaven, do you???
“without doing your homework for you....
Your truth claim, your burden of proof.
“the verses said something like ....”
Not a good start!
“I give unto you the keys to the kingdom of Heaven...whatsoever you shall bind on Earth shall be bound in Heaven, whatsoever you shall loose on Earth shall be loosed in Heaven.........”
Interesting single (sort of quote) verse, but does not prove what you claimed. In fact, Greek would help you a lot here.
“now you don’t suppose that Christ would have allowed His church to err on Earth and then have to change the rules in Heaven, do you???”
Wow, that is full of presuppositions! It is absolutely possible for a church to err - as we read in the opening of Revelation.
Fail at proving your truth claim. Is that all you have?? If so, you failed to back up your assertion and it is summarily rejected.
Where’s the beef??!!
I didn’t “invent” ANY of the personal attributes listed in post #447...you are the one ignoring all of Jesus’ references to “He” and “Him” and “another Advocate” being sent by Him in the book of John
So you would say that: Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: is just two persons?
And I suppose the Holy Spirit descending on Jesus while the Father’s voice sounded from heaven was also just two persons?
What kind of indoctrination does it take for people to deny all the obvious documented evidence we present?
If Douglas could actually comprehend things like “baptized in the NAME of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit,” and pronouns like “He,” and such, then he wouldn’t be a member of a flaky religious cult ultimately founded by a guy who thought he was Elijah and a descendant of King David on his mother’s side.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Now tell me how anyone after the apostles could “remember”.
Et tu more poo? :-)
Mat 28:19 “Go thereforefn and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
This is a baptismal formula, not a description of the Godhead. The disciples of Christ takes it to mean this:
Act 2:38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
They understood that this means that we are to receive the holy spirit after being baptized in the name of the father and son.
This is provable from scripture because this is how they baptized:
Act 8:12 But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.
They didn't baptize in the "name" of anyone called the holy spirit.
Act 8:16 For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Again...
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
So, yeah, you've got it wrong...again... :-)
Who is the parakletos or advocate with the father?
1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate (parakletos) with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
1Jo 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
The theology you worship has mixed you up so much that you've forgotten Christ...
See post 528...
He gave them enough inspiration so they determined that it was the truth......that's how most of the Bible was written....by Inspired men...
You make your God look really sloppy, give some inspiration to men and let them make up unbiblical events (Mary assumed into heaven) and then saying that is how God works. Baloney.
ALL of the Bible was written through men WITH the help of the Holy Spirit.
Men being given enough "tradition(al) and actual evidence to determine that Mary had been assumed into Heaven"
Sounds like the evidence for the LDS scriptures...No scriptures even hint at Mary's assumption, it's made up tradition.
how did the evangelist(sic) know what He prayed to the Father? how did the evangelist(sic) know what the devil said to Jesus?
how did the Evangalists know ANYTHING about the birth of Jesus, the manger, the shepherds, the singing Angels, no room at the inn.....please...
You have been taught how the Holy Sprit works multiple times, so I'll make this short.
The Bible is God breathed, the Holy Spirit gave, in many cases, the knowledge of events they did not see so they could write them down.
The Catholic church needs a catacizm (or what ever they are called) to teach about the Holy Spirit, and needs to find a Christian to do it.
The answers to your questions are so easy, mature Christians are aware of them. But some need to be taught the milk of the scriptures and learn them before going on to the meat.
Maybe you can find a Christian Bible study group in your area.
Jesus is indeed our advocate...and mediator {1 tim 2:5} and intercessor {heb 4:14}...yet so is the holy spirit {john 14}...and the holy spirit is our intercessor {Rom 8:27}...Jesus in John 14 clearly says “another” advocate...how long have you had issues understanding the word “another”???
That was a nice attempt at obfuscation but that didn’t answer my question. The verse distinctly identifies three personages. I didn’t ask in what name to baptize.
Oh? And you have to add to scripture?
1Ti 2:5For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
Now your theology throws someone else in there...kind of like Marianism...
Who to believe?
“This is a baptismal formula, not a description of the Godhead. “
It is a baptismal formula, in the NAME of the Godhead, sophist, which includes the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
“They understood that this means that we are to receive the holy spirit after being baptized in the name of the father and son.”
IOW, you think Luke contradicts Matthew, but then he must contradict Paul too:
2Co_13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.
That verse you provided only mentions being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, resulting in the gift of the Holy Spirit. It does not mention being baptized in the name of the Father AND Christ. Not that Christians didn’t baptize with the entire formula of course, leaving the Father and Spirit out of it:
Didache (Somewhere between 50ad-130ad):
“Chapter 7. Concerning Baptism. And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have no living water, baptize into other water; and if you cannot do so in cold water, do so in warm. But if you have neither, pour out water three times upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit.”
Ignatius, perished between 95-115AD:
“Wherefore also the Lord, when He sent forth the apostles to make disciples of all nations, commanded them to “baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost,” not unto one [person] having three names, nor into three [persons] who became incarnate, but into three possessed of equal honour.” (Epistle of Ignatius to the Philippians)
“So, yeah, you’ve got it wrong...again... :-)”
It’s more like you belched in my general direction, and then congratulated yourself for it, like the heathen you are.
You quote 2 (two) verses that include God, Christ and the holy spirit and claim that this is the Godhead. I quote dozens that show that the Godhead is father and son. Bible beats you every time gph.
That verse you provided only mentions being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, resulting in the gift of the Holy Spirit. It does not mention being baptized in the name of the Father AND Christ. Not that Christians didn’t baptize with the entire formula of course, leaving the Father and Spirit out of it: Didache (Somewhere between 50ad-130ad):
Ha ha...nice try...quote an extra biblical source...sorry, I'll believe the bible and the practice of biblical Christians...
I have no problem if you want to take tradition over what the bible says. But at least be honest enough to say that you prefer your tradition.
“Who to believe?”
We believe the scripture, not the stupid sophistry put forward by religious cults which destroy, apparently, not just the soul, but the mind as well.
“Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.”
(Rom 8:26-27)
The mediation between Christ and the Father occurs in heaven, and the basis of it is His blood spilled for us on the cross. The intercession of the Holy Spirit is within our own hearts, and in helping us to pray, and in all the other gifts that He applies to us, as He is our aid and comfort.
“You quote 2 (two) verses that include God, Christ and the holy spirit and claim that this is the Godhead.”
Aye, and two verses which you, being a sophist, cannot come to grips with. The Bible trumps you, cultist.
“Ha ha...nice try...quote an extra biblical source...sorry,”
The stupid claims of the UCG include the idea that they practice Christianity in the same way that the first century Christians do. Ignatius and the Didache both date to the first century, and they agree with me, not you.
Thus scripture and history trumps the fantasies of the Armstrong cult.
“No, it mentioned two people and their spirit. And Acts shows how they actually baptized.”
Yet, the liars of the Armstrong cult would have us believe that Luke declares that men are to be baptized in the name of the Father and Son only, leaving out the Holy Spirit. But Luke only mentions Jesus Christ. So even their own sophistry comes back to haunt these losers.
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