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While it remains difficult to see how any Catholic could in good conscience oppose making healthcare more widely accessible (on what grounds?), it is increasingly easy to see why Catholics (or anyone else for that matter) would oppose Obamacare. To repeat: Good ends are ill-served by ineffectual and counterproductive means.

Personally, I was embarrassed by Cardinal Dolan's statement: "The Catholic Church could have been one of Obamacare's "biggest cheerleaders" if not for some of its mandates involving contraception." Either the bishops are ignorant of the ramifications of Obamacare on the working class or they are naive, which I strongly doubt.

2 posted on 12/03/2013 3:20:35 PM PST by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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Either the bishops are ignorant of the ramifications of Obamacare on the working class or they are naive, which I strongly doubt.

There is a third possibility.

Pius X talked about it quite a bit.

5 posted on 12/03/2013 3:30:25 PM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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Unfortunately, there remains a communistic element in some religious, who have never given up on Vatican II.


7 posted on 12/03/2013 3:44:11 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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the bishops are ignorant of the ramifications

Let's face it, they are collectivists who are ignorant of economics.

9 posted on 12/03/2013 4:08:50 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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Personally, I was embarrassed by Cardinal Dolan’s statement:

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After his remarks about so-called immigration reform, nothing he says surprises me now. He is useless.


11 posted on 12/03/2013 4:20:02 PM PST by Bigg Red (Let me hear what God the LORD will speak. -Ps85)
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Personally, I was embarrassed by Cardinal Dolan's statement: "The Catholic Church could have been one of Obamacare's "biggest cheerleaders" if not for some of its mandates involving contraception." Either the bishops are ignorant of the ramifications of Obamacare on the working class or they are naive, which I strongly doubt.

IMO a convincing case can be made that the bishops do not look to the Bible for guidance, but IMO you can't say they're naïve.

Related thread:
Vatican paper: US bishops speak for Catholic Church on health care reform

13 posted on 12/03/2013 4:22:29 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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Personally, I'm embarrassed by Cardinal Dolan's existence as a Cardinal.

When he had Barry to dinner and didn't lay a very public smack-down on him over BarryCare and other things it was obvious to me he's functionally identical to guys Rick Warren or Joel Olsteen.

The only real difference is that while Dolan still claims to believe in Christianity the other two have openly developed their own substitutes for Christianity.

The war goes on. If the time ever comes that there are no guys like Dolan left in the ranks of the Bishops and the Cardinals it'll be a sign that they've finished paving Hell.

14 posted on 12/03/2013 4:31:25 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory)
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Embarrassed? I am dumbfounded at his jaw-dropping stupidity.
16 posted on 12/03/2013 5:16:54 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (To the hard of hearing you shout, and for the almost-blind you draw large and startling figures..)
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