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To: NKP_Vet
We know what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says. Why don’t you ever post the doctrine of the Church? Just curious.

Then you are ignorant of my posting history, as it is often from the horses own mouth that i expose Rome. Including her problems with consistency.

he Catechism of the Catholic Church is the blueprint to how Catholics are supposed to live their lives.

You mean the current one? And so this is an infallible document? It is this all you consider trustworthy? Does it even tell you what level of the magisterium each teaching falls under (bulls, encyclicals, etc.). For unless you know then you do not know which ones allow for some dissent.

And is it complete enough and plain enough as to not need interpretation? Do you adore with Muslims the one, merciful God? (841) Are there any Protestant saints? Can any former Catholics be saved without becoming Catholic? These and many more show varying RC interpretations even here.

Indeed it does need interpretation, and for which you look to the church by how it applies it. Thus while it states certain particularly grave sins incur excommunication, (1463) and related canon law ambiguously forbids ecclesiastical funerals for manifest impenitent sinners, (1184) but Rome treats them as members in life and even in death (contrary to Scripture which at the least requires formal separation from such), then this manifests what Rome really believes. For again, as James says which RCs like to quote (as if it supports them), "I will shew thee my faith by my works." (Ja. 2:18)

And thus your church disobeys your interpretation, while there is much much more RCs can disagree on due to the lack of official teaching or lack of perspicuity by Rome, and in which RCs can engage in interpretation, while they lecture us not to engage in "private interpretation," erroneously interpreting 2Pt. 1:20 as forbidding such.

The social doctrines of the Catholic Church are not going to change no matter how hard liberals want them to. End of subject.

Not so, as they effectively have by how they are interpreted. Likewise authoritative teachings such as "that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff," and that "outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative Magisterium," and thus "schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life but will depart `into everlasting fire," is later interpreted to allow that "All who have been justified by Faith in Baptism..are accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church,” including that "many [of those outside Rome] who honor Sacred Scripture, taking it as a norm of belief and a pattern of life, and who show a sincere zeal..are joined with us in the Holy Spirit."

159 posted on 12/05/2013 6:44:34 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

“The social doctrines of the Catholic Church are not going to change no matter how hard liberals want them to”

I am specifically speaking of abortion, marriage and women
ordaination. Not going to change.

If you are a Protestant why are you obsessed with the Catholic Church? Was your GGGGGGGG grandpa Martin Luther and you’re just caring on the family tradition?

You seem to spend an exorbitant amount of time criticizing the Catholic Church. I just find it strange.


161 posted on 12/05/2013 6:59:33 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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