So one more time. And once more, I could give a rats ass what some skewed poll says. Not my fault that the Catholic Church is full of hypocrites (like any protestant denomination). The teachings of the Catechism of the Catholic Church is what it’s all about. Not the individual desires of anyone.
What evangelical church believes in NO ABORITON OF ANY KIND, FOR ANY REASON. NO WOMEN PREACHERS, AND WILL NOT ORDAIN OPENLY HOMOSEXUAL MEN.
And if you think the media that constantly blasts the Catholic Church for not ordaining women, their stance on abortion, and no homosexual clergy and no same-sex “marriage”, thinks the Catholic Church is liberal you need a reality check. Your hated of the Catholic Church clouds reality.
Lastly, ignoring the morons that call themselves Catholic and voted for Obama, the number of devout practicing Catholics that abide by their church’s teachings, voted for Romney 60% to 42 for Obama. The number of Catholics that voted for the conservative candidate dwarfs any protestant denomination in the country.
But one more thing before I go. Catholic Charities is the biggest faith based charity in the United States. And the Knights of Columbus does more than any protestant fraternal organization. Would you like for me to tell you how many Catholic hospitals there are in the United States. Catholics started the first hospitals in the country. I could go on, but I’m getting tired.
1) Abortion,
2) Women pastor-teachers. or
3) Ordination of homosexuals.
Evangelism is a type of spiritual gift of communication given to some believers by God the Holy Spirit to communicate His Word to unbelievers.
A similar spiritual gift is given to others to communicate His Word to believers, also known as the gift of pastor-teacher.
Where described in the New Testament, both gifts are only indicated as being given to men. Ordination by a group of believers doesn't confer these spiritual gifts to another believer anymore than voting on a person's sainthood can confer salvation. These are still the domain and reign of God Himself, not humanity.
In regards to homosexuality, as with sodomy and effeminate behavior, we also understand such persons will not inherit the kingdom of God (1Cor 6:9).
Perhaps as fellow believers in Christ we can agree to place Christ before any group of believers and rely on Him before we rely on other institutions or upon provision made by human good instead of what He provides by Divine Good.
Of course you must dismiss it, as devoted RCs must reject all such evidence that impugns Rome. But I think you evidence you do care, by resorting to the typical damage control of impugning the credibility of the polls.
As long as Rome overall treats as members those whom you exclude as being so, then it is your assertions that are "skewed."
What evangelical church believes in NO...
Not Rome, as it is the kind of church that ignores that what one does constitutes what they really believe, and like the Pharisees, "they say, and do not," (Matthew 23:3) but treat even known public liberals as members in life and in death. In so doing she provides the interpretation of what she means by her teachings.
Meanwhile, what evangelical churches actually teach is seen by evangelicals being overall far less liberal and far more conservative and unified in moral views than Catholics.
However, such preach Christ, not a church as you must, and thus it is you whom must defend your church, as hard as that is (besides official doctrines) in the light of what it really believes.
And if you think the media that constantly blasts the Catholic Church
Actually, evangelicals have been the greatest threat to their immoral and liberal agenda, versus a church that mouths conservative values but largely fosters the opposite, and thus it has been evangelicalism that has been treated as the greatest threat by both liberals and Rome.
Meanwhile, RCs have well evidenced here that they have a persecution complex, overreacting to even the slightest thing that seems to impugn their fantasy of a holy church, and often unwilling or incapable of objective judgment.
Lastly, ignoring the morons that call themselves Catholic and voted for Obama, the number of devout practicing Catholics that abide by their churchs teachings, voted for Romney 60% to 42 for Obama.
And that is supposed to show Rome as a strongly conservative church? Besides the fact that the church you trumpet does not exist, as it does not treat liberal RCs are morons, a mere 18% difference btwn the two candidates hardly commends "real" RCs as conservative, esp. when one was the most radically liberal Democrat ever to run for the office.
. The number of Catholics that voted for the conservative candidate dwarfs any protestant denomination in the country.
That is deceptive sophistry, as it is not the numerical quantities which matters but percentages, and by using the former you can assert they provided more conservatives vote than any single Prot denomination even if the majority of Catholics voted liberal, as Rome is the single largest denom, even if only constituting about 25% of Americans. . Meanwhile, it was 80% of white evangelicals - those who most esteem Scripture as the Word of God and supreme authority - who voted for Romney, more so than Mormons!
Would you use this same method, versus percentage, for how many priestly pedophiles Rome has provided? Honestly?
More for the file:
47% of white Catholics identified with or leaned toward the Democratic Party, while 46% supported the GOP in the mid-September [2012] poll [up from 41% in 2008], while 72% of white evangelicals identified with the GOP. http://www.pewforum.org/Race/Latinos-Religion-and-Campaign-2012.aspx#president
37% of Catholics were registered as Democrats [2007], 27% Republican, and 31% as Independents. Aggregated Pew Research Surveys, 2007. http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=295#ideology
34% of weekly Mass attending Catholics are Democrats, and an additional 19% are not affiliated with a party but lean toward the Democrats (53% identifying or leaning as Democrats). 28% of weekly attenders are Republicans and an additional 17% lean toward being a Republican (43 percent identifying or leaning as Republicans). Thus Democrats have a 10% point edge among weekly attendees, Catholics who attend Mass less than weekly are even more likely to be a Democrat rather than a Republican. http://cara.georgetown.edu/NewsandPress/PressReleases/pr061808.pdf
91% of faculty and administrators from Americas top 23 Catholic universities who contributed to presidential campaigns in 2012 gave to President Obama. 89.6% of all 928 donors contributed to Obama, versus 10.3% who gave to Romney. Employees of the Catholic schools contributed $449,229 to President Obama while giving just $70,304 to Republican nominee Mitt Romney. Of the 826 individuals who donated over $200 to the two major candidates, 748 gave to President Obamas campaign while 78 contributed to Romney. Based on official Federal Election Commission data made available by OpenSecrets.org; http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?ID=4529
Based upon exit polling, 74 percent of Evangelicals voted for McCain in 2008, with 25 percent for Obama. (Another measure which put the percentage of US evangelicals at 23 percent, with 73 percent voting for McCain, 26 percent for Obama.) http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=367
Catholics overall supported Obama over McCain by a nine-point margin (54% vs. 45%) ^
Exit polls in 2008 reported that weekly churchgoing Catholics voted for John McCain over Barack Obama, by just 50 percent to 49 percent. Weekly Protestant church attendees voted for McCain over Barack Obama 66 to 32 percent. http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/churchgoing_catholics_chose_mccain_over_obama/
In the 2012 election (preliminary exit-poll analysis), white Evangelicals (23% of the electorate) voted 79%/20% Romney/Obama; Protestants overall (53% of the electorate) voted 57%/42%; black Protestants (9% of the electorate) and other Christian voted 5%/95%; Catholics overall (25% of the electorate) voted 48%/50%; white Catholics (18% of the electorate) voted 59%/40%; and Hispanic Catholics (5% of the electorate) voted 21%/75% Romney/Obama http://www.pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/How-the-Faithful-Voted-2012-Preliminary-Exit-Poll-Analysis.aspx
Weekly Church attendees (28% of the electorate) voted 57%/39% Romney/Obama; more than weekly (14% of the electorate) voted 63%/36% and never attendees (17% of the electorate) were at 34%/62% Romney/Obama. ^
According to Barna, in 2012 45% of the people who voted in November indicated that their faith affected how they voted. 72% of Evangelicals, 34% non-evangelical born again voters, and 19% of Catholics, 17% of non-Christian faith said their faith affected their presidential preference a lot. 9% of voters overall and 10% of evangelicals felt strongly that Mr. Romney's Mormon connection diminished their likelihood of supporting him. http://www.barna.org/culture-articles/595-the-role-of-faith-in-the-2012-election
Evangelicals supported Mr. Romney 81% to 17% over Mr. Obama (a smaller percentage for the Republican candidate than in previous years). Born again Christians who are not evangelicals supported Romney 56% to 43% over the incumbent. Catholics supported Mr. Obama by 57% to 42% the largest margin since Bill Clinton topped Bob Dole by 21 points in 1996. Protestant overall voted 57% to 42% in favor of Mr. Romney. ^
Notional Christians (the largest segment of voters and who consider themselves to be Christian but are not evangelical or born again) voted 57% to 41% in favor of Mr. Obama. 68% of Skeptics and 69% of non-Christian faiths (14% of total voters) also voted for the Democratic candidate. ^
1% of Evangelicals, 10% of non-evangelical born again voters, 14% of Notional Christians and 33% of Skeptics said they were politically liberal. ^
48% of voters overall, 54% of Notional Christians, 53% of Catholics, and just 14% of Evangelicals agreed that the United States will be better off four years from now than it is today. 64% of voters overall said they would prefer that the presidential campaign be decided by the popular vote rather than Electoral votes. ^
Your hated of the Catholic Church clouds reality.
Your mind reading is wrong, as i could actually provide a list of positive things about Rome, but which does not warrant the promotion and elite status she is given, and which i counteract. Meanwhile, RC adoration of their church prevents so many of the devout from seeing reality when contrary Rome.
But one more thing before I go. Catholic Charities is the biggest faith based charity in the United States.
Besides contradicting Forbes list which places the Salvation Army at #2 and Catholic Charities (USA) at # below it, and also below others in total revenue, once again you are resorting to a specious method for determining conservative commitment and values, which evangelicals testify to far more of than Catholics.
Moreover, as http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=7587 states,
...you would think that Catholic Charities USA would be a perfect model to emulate, getting the poor into the mainstream by emphasizing moral values and ethical conduct. But no: rather than trying to promote traditional values and God-fearing behavior, Catholic Charitiesand the same could be said about the Association of Jewish Family and Children's Agencies or the Lutheran Services in Americahas become over the last three decades an arm of the welfare state, with 65 percent of its $2.3 billion annual budget now flowing from government sources.
Thus, and as more of the article illustrates, rather than being an example of superior Christian commitment and conservative values, then like Rome itself, is effectually much supports the counterproductive liberal ethos.
And the Knights of Columbus does more than any protestant fraternal organization.
Another specious argument, and much of what it does is promote Catholic errors. Of course, RCs would consider the Masons to be Protestant.
Would you like for me to tell you how many Catholic hospitals there are in the United States.
Likely with substantial fed funding for most of these also. But this again is a vain argument, due to comparing one church with many, and does not indicate a superior level of commitment and conservative values among RCs than evangelicals. Instead, survey after survey shows the reverse.
Moreover, Sr. Carol Keehan, the president of the Catholic Health Association, which represents 620 Catholic hospitals and 1,400 nursing homes said her group is pleased that the Supreme Court upheld the Affordable Care Act (ACA). It can live with the birth control mandate.
More commitment to liberalism.
Catholics started the first hospitals in the country
Actually, the first is said to be one begun by William Penn in Philadelphia in 1713, or the Pennsylvania Hospital, founded in 1751 by Dr. Thomas Bond and Benjamin Franklin
However, all of your specious attempts to show superior Christian commitment and conservative values actually testify to institutional liberalism. Which is where the rest of the evidence points to in reality.