Posted on 10/08/2013 2:47:48 AM PDT by ClaytonP
Last I looked, God wasn’t soliciting feedback on His laws.
CBS news validates and analyses Qunnipiac Polls. In other words it is a left-leaning poll that is not reliable and oversamples democrats.
If anyone with a brain thinks those numbers on homosexual “marriage” are correct with Mass attending Catholics, they are not playing with a full deck.
“Catholicism’s hard-left turn in the ‘80s”
“Hard left”?? No abortion of any type, for any reason.
No woman preachers. No homosexual “marriage”.
Hard left? REALLY!
You actually believe these media Catholic-hating polls?
“From September 23 - 29, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,776 American adults with a margin of error of +/- 2.3 percentage points. The survey includes 392 Catholics with a margin of error of +/- 5 percentage points. Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones.”
So this is all based on the opinion of 392 Catholics? 392?!
“The Quinnipiac University Poll, directed by Douglas Schwartz, Ph.D., conducts public opinion surveys in Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Florida, Iowa, Ohio, Colorado, Virginia and the nation as a public service and for research.”
I wonder what states this one was from. Different areas have populations of Catholics that at least vote differently from Catholics in other areas. Must be a secret, couldn’t find it.
“Support for women priests grows with age, from 57 - 32 percent among Catholics 18 to 49 years old to 68 - 28 percent among those over 65 years old.”
Interesting.
Freegards
Hard left= amnesty... nuclear freeze... support to the leftist revolutions worldwide..
And I’m not impugning all Catholics... but back in the ‘80s, those were issues that mattered.
Many Catholics I know believe strongly in (at least) two things, and they believe that Jesus believes in them, too, interestingly:
1. Don’t judge
2. be nice
So, they can’t listen to those “haters” who want to judge homosexuals or women in crisis pregnancies. They will be nice.
Also, it’s not nice to say that someone male can do something and someone female can’t. It sounds like the Church is saying women aren’t good enough, or are only fit for having babies. That’s not nice.
If the church wants to teach its people, instead of just collecting their money and serving donuts, it needs to address these trains of thought, and how/where they diverge from real understanding of God’s love and truth.
IbJ, that “traditional priest” of yours is poorly catechized, and a poor catechist. Neither he nor you can abolish your Sunday obligation.
Proselytism IS nonsense. It has a disastrously bad effect on evangelism.
Armydoc: Proselytism IS nonsense. It has a negative effect on evangelism.
You think what you think, and that priest will think what he wishes.
When there’s not a proper mass with the exception of one hours away what’s a person to do?
The modernist Novus Ordo new religion is not the one I have any respect for. This post Vatican II religion is not, I would think, pleasing the Holy Trinity!
man....Catholics here will protest and howl but even when I grew up 50 years ago Catholics were more socially liberal than we were
..in the South
maybe it was Mardi Gras
Oh this is shameful. But even if it was 100% it would not change Church teaching. It does mean though that
WE NEED TO HEAR MORE ABOUT SIN AND HELL FROM OUR PASTORS.
The left supports their causes with their pocketbooks. Catholics do not. My local Catholic radio station stated that a very small percentage of people who listen to Catholic radio actually donate. I wish I could remember the actual numbers but it’s so small in my opinion it’s scandalous and disgusting. I have a bone to pick with my fellow Catholics. For example wearing shorts to mass it sickens me. I constantly see entire families coming in with sneakers, shorts and T-shirts they think they’re going to the beach. It really depresses me, I wish Catholics would step it up.
Even if every Catholic family only gave one dollar to their local Catholic radio station it would make a big difference.
“Hard left= amnesty... nuclear freeze... support to the leftist revolutions worldwide..”
You gonna include Rand Paul and Marco Rubio in your “hard left” on amnesty?
Show me a link on your assertion that the Catholic Church supports leftist revolutions? While you’re talking about leftists, did you know the CIA was founded by leftists to assassinate world leaders and basically stir up unrest in governments that didn’t agree with the United States.
Keep reading.
And the really important, and really interesting people in the Catholic Church, are not the priests, nor even the popes, but the saints.
And with that I say: will you not stay in he Church --- in the Communion of Saints --- with (OK, I'll name a half dozen or so of my favorites)
Do you think the "situations," including the religious milieux, in which these sainted people lived, were any less troubled? The Church less conflicted? The times less dangerous? The clergy less compromised? The Powers that Be less menacing? The World, the Flesh, and the Devil less crafty and seductive?
Come on, IbJensen. Even if this Noah's Ark of a Church is full of a thousand aggravating squawks and stinks, even if we have to shovel sh*t off the deck every day of our lives, it's The Ark. We're afloat. It looks like the baboons and macacas are in charge, and (new metaphor) Jesus is seemingly asleep on the foredeck, but He knows everything, calls saints, gives glory to martyrs, and can calm the wind and waves any time He wants to.
Get back on the boat. Stop your "No Thanks, I'll Swim" schism. Trust the saints, who lived in communion with worse popes (Pope Alexander VI, anyone? Pope John XII? Pope Urban VI?) --- and in harder times than yours.
I don’t like the shorts and noise and totally disrespect for God, and I especially dislike all the protestant garbage that has creeped into Mass after Vatican 2. That’s why I attend a Traditional Latin Mass. When I do attend a regular Catholic Mass I refuse to hold hands during the Our Father. I am not a protestant and that is protestant, feel-good, hippie-commune crap that needs to end. And if the choir has a guitar (more liberal nonsense) I never go back to that church.
So if you are a devout Catholic that wants to feel like you are in a Catholic Church, not a protestant Church, find yourself a Traditional Latin Rite Catholic Church. They are all over. Just look.
You are a good person, Mrs. Don; however, I can’t bring myself to worship in a building that resembles an aircraft hangar. I can’t abide the noisy gossip that goes before every ‘service’ that points out painfully that those gathering can’t possibly believe that something important is going to happen. (One can hardly call these masses.)
I have great angst with the guitar music and new hymns, the lack of seeing a tabernacle in the middle of a real altar. The confessionals are relegated to some obscure place in the structure and the lack of pictures, icons, statues of the Holy Family and Saints are nowhere to be found in some of these places.
And, most importantly, there is no catholicity about the new church. Before the radical changes one could travel anywhere in the world and understand the mass and what it meant. Today, it’s an impossibility.
There is much more on my mind, but it’s sad to keep thinking about what’s happened to Christ’s Church on earth.
And then, of course, there is a complete lack of decorum on the part of today’s clergy. They shuffle about what passes for a sanctuary in sport clothes and even enter the confessional dressed as a layman. “Don’t call me Father Jones, call me Father Bill.”
THIS JUST IN: Unlike some Protestant congregation, the Catholic Church is NOT a democracy!
Let's pray for each other, then.
This poll was done outside the doors after mass? Otherwise I would not trust it. If they “ interviewed”people outside of the church I do not believe it. Some but not that percentage.
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