Posted on 10/03/2013 3:56:55 AM PDT by markomalley
As Democrats take up immigration reform again, Justice for Immigrants, the group that is running the well-organized campaign for amnesty for the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), will be rooting for many of the same politicians that support unrestricted abortion-on-demand, have passed and refused to defund ObamaCare and its HHS mandate, and support same-sex marriage.
As Breitbart News reported Wednesday, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and other Democrats who have supported funding ObamaCare and the HHS mandate, introduced a comprehensive immigration reform bill, saying they were “prepared to do whatever it takes to go to conference with a joint bill” that would “stop the deportations” and provide a “path to citizenship.” Co-sponsors of the bill include Reps. Joe Garcia (D-FL), Jared Polis (D-CO), Joaquin Castro (D-TX), and Suzan DelBene (D-WA).
In support of immigration reform legislation, Justice for Immigrants has just completed “pilgrimages for immigration reform,” one of which was conducted in Virginia.
As WHSV.com reported on September 23rd, Blessed Sacrament Catholic Church in Harrisonburg advocated for immigration reform, with the priest at the pulpit holding up postcards, provided by Justice for Immigrants, for parishioners to sign to send to members of Congress to ask for support for immigration reform.
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I’m guessing a fonation was made to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops by an anonymous donor recently? Maybe $67M?.../s
I’m guessing a large donation was made to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops by an anonymous donor recently? Maybe $67M?.../s
Blessed Sacrament Catholic Church in Harrisonburg advocated for immigration reform, with the priest at the pulpit holding up postcards
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I would have gotten up and walked out.
The Bishops should spend more time cleaning out the pedophiles and a lot less worrying about illegals.
AND Catholics voted for 0 in a somewhat higher percentage than the general populace, so also anyone who tells you that it's just the bishops is also full of hot air.
Some years back one of the local priests during the homily started a rant against Bush and Republicans. I wasn't at that mass, but from what I hears about 1/4 of the church did exactly that. Complaints went to the pastor, and that particular priest did NOT do that again.
Exactly.
And what is so blasted frustrating to me, as a Catholic, is that the crap you see spewed from the USCCB doesn't even sound like it comes from the same church as the one in the Vatican.
For example, could you ever imagine the USCCB saying this:
In recent years the range of such intervention has vastly expanded, to the point of creating a new type of State, the so-called "Welfare State". This has happened in some countries in order to respond better to many needs and demands, by remedying forms of poverty and deprivation unworthy of the human person. However, excesses and abuses, especially in recent years, have provoked very harsh criticisms of the Welfare State, dubbed the "Social Assistance State". Malfunctions and defects in the Social Assistance State are the result of an inadequate understanding of the tasks proper to the State. Here again the principle of subsidiarity must be respected: a community of a higher order should not interfere in the internal life of a community of a lower order, depriving the latter of its functions, but rather should support it in case of need and help to coordinate its activity with the activities of the rest of society, always with a view to the common good.
By intervening directly and depriving society of its responsibility, the Social Assistance State leads to a loss of human energies and an inordinate increase of public agencies, which are dominated more by bureaucratic ways of thinking than by concern for serving their clients, and which are accompanied by an enormous increase in spending.
Or, how about this:
Love—caritas—will always prove necessary, even in the most just society. There is no ordering of the State so just that it can eliminate the need for a service of love. Whoever wants to eliminate love is preparing to eliminate man as such. There will always be suffering which cries out for consolation and help. There will always be loneliness. There will always be situations of material need where help in the form of concrete love of neighbour is indispensable.[20] The State which would provide everything, absorbing everything into itself, would ultimately become a mere bureaucracy incapable of guaranteeing the very thing which the suffering person—every person—needs: namely, loving personal concern. We do not need a State which regulates and controls everything, but a State which, in accordance with the principle of subsidiarity, generously acknowledges and supports initiatives arising from the different social forces and combines spontaneity with closeness to those in need.
And it is particularly frustrating when you realize that not all the US bishops even think the same way as the US. For example, in regards to Obamacare, one bishop commented:
the Catholic Church does not teach that government should directly provide health care. Unlike a prudential concern like national defense, for which government monopolization is objectively good – it both limits violence overall and prevents the obvious abuses to which private armies are susceptible – health care should not be subject to federal monopolization. Preserving patient choice (through a flourishing private sector) is the only way to prevent a health care monopoly from denying care arbitrarily, as we learned from HMOs in the recent past. While a government monopoly would not be motivated by profit, it would be motivated by such bureaucratic standards as quotas and defined “best procedures,” which are equally beyond the influence of most citizens.
(And he's not the only one)
And on this subject of illegal immigration, apparently the USCCB doesn't bother to consider the words of this current, "progressive", pope:
… Pope Benedict XVI sketched the parameters of such policies, stating that they “should set out from close collaboration between the migrants’ countries of origin and their countries of destination; they should be accompanied by adequate international norms able to coordinate different legislative systems with a view to safeguarding the needs and rights of individual migrants and their families, and at the same time, those of the host countries” (Caritas in Veritate, 62)…
…It must also be emphasized that such cooperation begins with the efforts of each country to create better economic and social conditions at home, so that emigration will not be the only option left for those who seek peace, justice, security and full respect of their human dignity. The creation of opportunities for employment in the local economies will also avoid the separation of families and ensure that individuals and groups enjoy conditions of stability and serenity.…
Excerpts from Message for World Day of Migrants 2014
The USCCB is an out of control, radical leftist group that needs to be disbanded, the building demolished, and the ground salted afterwards.
Well I suspect that breaking ranks on the health care issue is rooted in abortion/birth control segments of that law. My question is why should the government directly provide anything? I always thought "thou shall not steal" was one of the fundamental building blocks of religion, but apparently when your money is taken at gunpoint by a government and then given to some cockroach in human form to buy their vote it isn't stealing. You and I taking things that don't belong to us is stealing and condemned by the church. Governments taking things that don't belong to them is social justice and condoned by the church.
I see the same "social" issues taught by bishops in every country. Maybe the problem is higher than the USCCB.
Because there are certain things that naturally would fall to the government (at some level) as the appropriate societal level.
For example, it is appropriate for the national level government to provide for the national defense.
It is appropriate for the national level government to provide diplomacy and foreign affairs.
It is appropriate for the national level government to provide for customs and duties...as well as to regulate immigration (if they'd actually do that)
It is appropriate for a more immediate level of government to provide peace officers to enforce criminal law.
It is appropriate for a more immediate level of government to provide roads (I acknowledge that private roads can exist, but I don't have a problem with public roads)
And so on.
I always thought "thou shall not steal" was one of the fundamental building blocks of religion, but apparently when your money is taken at gunpoint by a government and then given to some cockroach in human form to buy their vote it isn't stealing.
And here, again, is an area where the USCCB has utterly perverted Catholic teaching:
15. And in addition to injustice, it is only too evident what an upset and disturbance there would be in all classes, and to how intolerable and hateful a slavery citizens would be subjected. The door would be thrown open to envy, to mutual invective, and to discord; the sources of wealth themselves would run dry, for no one would have any interest in exerting his talents or his industry; and that ideal equality about which they entertain pleasant dreams would be in reality the levelling down of all to a like condition of misery and degradation. Hence, it is clear that the main tenet of socialism, community of goods, must be utterly rejected, since it only injures those whom it would seem meant to benefit, is directly contrary to the natural rights of mankind, and would introduce confusion and disorder into the commonweal. The first and most fundamental principle, therefore, if one would undertake to alleviate the condition of the masses, must be the inviolability of private property. This being established, we proceed to show where the remedy sought for must be found.…
…17. It must be first of all recognized that the condition of things inherent in human affairs must be borne with, for it is impossible to reduce civil society to one dead level. Socialists may in that intent do their utmost, but all striving against nature is in vain. There naturally exist among mankind manifold differences of the most important kind; people differ in capacity, skill, health, strength; and unequal fortune is a necessary result of unequal condition. Such unequality is far from being disadvantageous either to individuals or to the community. Social and public life can only be maintained by means of various kinds of capacity for business and the playing of many parts; and each man, as a rule, chooses the part which suits his own peculiar domestic condition.…
…38. Here, however, it is expedient to bring under special notice certain matters of moment. First of all, there is the duty of safeguarding private property by legal enactment and protection. Most of all it is essential, where the passion of greed is so strong, to keep the populace within the line of duty; for, if all may justly strive to better their condition, neither justice nor the common good allows any individual to seize upon that which belongs to another, or, under the futile and shallow pretext of equality, to lay violent hands on other people's possessions. Most true it is that by far the larger part of the workers prefer to better themselves by honest labor rather than by doing any wrong to others. But there are not a few who are imbued with evil principles and eager for revolutionary change, whose main purpose is to stir up disorder and incite their fellows to acts of violence. The authority of the law should intervene to put restraint upon such firebrands, to save the working classes from being led astray by their maneuvers, and to protect lawful owners from spoliation.…
The Church has taught that taxes are appropriate...but taxes to pay for those functions (like military, police, roads, etc.) that actually are appropriate for government...at the appropriate level...to perform.
Sadly, these leftists have created a lie that states that "the common good" = "communism"
I would tend to agree with you, Alex. But, I've seen enough exceptions to where I believe that this modernism is at the point of being a heresy...a severe and pernicious one, like Arianism was...but a heresy, nevertheless.
Just for the sake of accuracy: Catholics are a (50:48) voting block for Obama, virtually identical to, or JUST whisker LESS pro-Obama than the U.S. electorate as a whole (51:47) (See statistical analysis at LINK)
Though they're statistically nose-to-nose, I'm madder at the stupidity of Catholics at large, than I am at the stupidity of Americans at large.
We're all going to get what we asked for: good and hard.
OUCH....!
I haven't seen any exceptions, at least not at the bishops' level.
Thank you for these quotes/passages, I am trying to understand when/how/why the RC Church took such a long/strong/wrong turn towards marxism, I am reading now about the Jesuits and how they undermined especially Pope John Paul II, it saddens me greatly to learn how these marxists have infiltrated all our institutions...
” I haven’t seen any exceptions, at least not at the bishops’ level.”
Here’s one that came to light fairly recently:
” Amid Argentina’s financial crisis in 2002, then Cardinal Bergoglio offered a sermon in Buenos Aires in which he declared “To those who are now promising to fix all your problems, I say, ‘Go and fix yourself.’ . . . Have a change of heart. Get to confession, before you need it even more!”
Interrupted by applause, the cardinal added, “The current crisis will not be improved by magicians from outside the country and nor will [improvement] come from the golden mouth of our politicians, so accustomed to making incredible promises.””
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324077704578358662310569372.html?mod=opinion_newsreel
The media doesn’t cover those types of quotes that much, so it doesn’t surprise me if it slipped your mind.
(BTW, Bergoglio was an archbishop at that time, so it meets your parameters)
I have Duke other examples, but posting complex posts from a tablet is a pain :D
Did anyone post that as a thread?
” Did anyone post that as a thread?”
I think so, but don’t have a URL
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