To some, you’d think we go to visit the witch of Endor to get info from the dead.
You’ll hear the great cloud of witnesses were OT or people down here.
You’ll hear the bowls of incense in Rev. 5 when the prayers of the saints are offered are just praise, or in Rev. 8 when offering up the prayers of ALL God’s people, it’s just the live ones. Let’s not talk about the souls under the altar that speak to the Lord in Rev. 6 (after the breaking of the fifth seal); I guess that will only happen at the end... Jerome’s mis-translation, yada, yada.
You may even be told Jesus didn’t really confer with Moses and Elijah... it was just a literary device.
I guess next I will not be able to ask you or other brothers and sisters to pray for me... because that would be interceding for me.
But then again, when you choose to take out the apocrypha (as well as other books), you miss out.
Forgive me for the snark, i’m getting old and grouchy... one thing of many I have to work on. As St. Phillip Neri would say, it’s just God giving me more opportunities to practice patience.
(shakes head, goes to pray the office)
“To some, you’d think we go to visit the witch of Endor to get info from the dead.”
The witch didn’t talk to the dead. She brought up a Demon that pretended to be Samuel, unless you suppose that Samuel’s spirit really was dwelling in the Earth, and was “disturbed” by the power of the witch to be brought up.
“You’ll hear the great cloud of witnesses were OT or people down here.”
The scripture you are referencing was itself referencing a list of martyrs from the previous chapter. If you imagine that the saints are a ‘cloud of witnesses’ around you, watching all that you do, then you’ve just made them Gods.
You would do better to believe in fairies or Santa Clause being able to travel all around the world in a single night.
Even the Angel Gabriel couldn’t be with Daniel for 3 weeks, because he was held up by a Demonic power. If Gabriel could be omnipresent, a witness to everything Daniel was doing, that wouldn’t have been a problem.
“You may even be told Jesus didn’t really confer with Moses and Elijah... it was just a literary device.”
We can certainly imagine Moses and Elijah as not being both in heaven, and at the same time with Jesus. That would make them, at the least, located in two places at once. The scripture doesn’t say that.
“But then again, when you choose to take out the apocrypha (as well as other books), you miss out.”
I’m not sure your own religion even believes the “apocrypha” either. Most of it they admit are just fables and cute stories. You should try reading their introduction to these books and see for yourself.
“You’ll hear the bowls of incense in Rev. 5 when the prayers of the saints are offered are just praise,”
Do you think that our prayers are literally transubstantiation into incense?
I’m getting grouchy too! This was actually an interesting and kind of amusing discussion until we met somebody busy being his own St Peter and St. Paul. No wonder Protestant churches don’t hold together and there’s about a billion of them. Each man his own Pope.