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To: presently no screen name
"And that self serving mumbo jumbo has NOTHING to do with salvation!"

When we both say Salvation I am not even sure we are speaking of the same thing. If we are not, discussion or any arguing over this is pointless.

For Catholics Salvation begins with the grace of God which touches a sinner's heart and calls him to repentance. This grace cannot be merited because it proceeds solely from the love and mercy of God. Man may receive or reject this inspiration of God, he may turn to God or remain in sin. Grace does not constrain man's free will.

Through Grace is sinner is disposed for salvation from sin; he believes in the revelation and promises of God, he fears God's justice, hopes in his mercy, trusts that God will be merciful to him for Christ's sake, begins to love God as the source of all justice, hates and detests his sins.

This disposition is followed by justification itself, which consists not in the mere remission of sins, but in the sanctification and renewal of the inner man by the voluntary reception of God's grace and gifts, whence a man becomes just instead of unjust, a friend instead of a foe and so an heir according to hope of eternal life. This change happens either by reason of a perfect act of charity elicited by a well disposed sinner or by virtue of the Sacrament either of Baptism or of Penance according to the condition of the respective subject laden with sin. The Council further indicates the causes of this change. By the merit of the Most Holy Passion through the Holy Spirit, the charity of God is shed abroad in the hearts of those who are justified.

It was right when written at Trent and it is right today.

1,884 posted on 06/13/2013 4:23:17 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law
When we both say Salvation I am not even sure we are speaking of the same thing.

That's your first sentence and I stopped reading there.

There is ONLY ONE salvation - I'm not going to play a 'muddy the waters' game with lots of mumbo jumbo!

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is NOT from yourselves, it is THE GIFT of God— NOT by works, so that no one can boast. Eph 2:8

Hear and Obey. There is nothing to discuss. If you want salvation this is the ONLY way to receive it - as a Gift of by faith. 'Man' and their teachings on salvation is null and void - what they think, want or wrongly interpret just doesn't matter. The GIFT is from God, not man. Rome/man has nothing to do with anyone's salvation.

1,904 posted on 06/13/2013 8:19:32 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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