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To: daniel1212
"It is not the SS position that all knowledge that can be known from God is written in Scripture..."

Just as I have been quick to criticize when we disagree I must commend you when we agree. What I see, with respect to SS, is so very similar to many of the other doctrinal disagreements. There simply is no clear agreement or even a consensus within Protestantism as to what is meant by Sola Scriptura. To some, it means what it did to Luther; that all knowledge necessary for Salvation is sufficiently contained in Scripture. However, to many modern Protestants Sola Scriptura has come to mean that all knowledge necessary for Salvation is exclusively contained in Scripture. There are numerous variants in between. In these discussions one is never clear which variant is being discussed.

Peace be with you

1,747 posted on 06/11/2013 11:18:52 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: Natural Law
However, to many modern Protestants Sola Scriptura has come to mean that all knowledge necessary for Salvation is exclusively contained in Scripture.

Well; what AIN'T???

1,754 posted on 06/11/2013 12:06:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Natural Law
To some, it means what it did to Luther; that all knowledge necessary for Salvation is sufficiently contained in Scripture. However, to many modern Protestants Sola Scriptura has come to mean that all knowledge necessary for Salvation is exclusively contained in Scripture.

Now that's an interesting conclusion on your part...For those who chose the word sufficient, are you suggesting that they or the Catholics perhaps agree that the knowledge of the scriptures is sufficient, but not necessarily the only way to gain all knowledge for salvation, kinda like there's a back door somewhere???

1,759 posted on 06/11/2013 12:34:56 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Natural Law
There simply is no clear agreement or even a consensus within Protestantism as to what is meant by Sola Scriptura.

Sorry for the delay, but we must move soon and have 20 years worth of accumulated collections by God's grace to deal with.

Thanks for the commendation on one aspect, but as for the above, "Protestantism" as typically broadly defined includes those who deny some of the most basic core truths that Catholics and Protestants held in common at the Reformation (a RC write i read today placed it at 80%) and SS type evangelicals have contended for, the deviations from which gave birth to the modern fundamentalist movement opposing them and revisionists (which is very manifest in Roman Catholic scholarship) .

And among SS Christians, which excludes cults which effectively operate under sola ecclesia, as does Rome, there is broad consensus that, as said here , "The sufficiency of Scripture recognizes that we have everything we need for salvation and life in the canonical Word. "Salvation is of the LORD" (Jon. 2:9) .

And as said here

That the teaching of Scripture is sufficiently clear on the main things so as to be able to make ordinary people wise for salvation and to equip for every good work,

and

Scripture is a sufficient and final court of appeal in matters of faith and morals.

This is the critical and primary truth, and in opposition to the church being the supreme authority, while the next statement is where there should be some disagreement, and is not critical as even if it is allowed that one can know some salvific truth apart from hearing the Scriptures, it is the latter that determines if that truth is indeed Truth.

to many modern Protestants Sola Scriptura has come to mean that all knowledge necessary for Salvation is exclusively contained in Scripture If "all knowledge," means no knowledge necessary for salvation, rater than its fulness, is contained outside Scripture, then that is untenable, as Scripture states that the Gentiles,

which have not the law, can do by nature the things contained in the law. (Rm. 2:14)

They thus know they are sinners, which is a necessary salvific truth, and thus they must hope for mercy, which is found in Christ. And which God reveals to the honest seeking sinner, of which Cornelius is an example.

Nor can it be held that only in Scripture is gospel truth necessary for salvation, as souls were saved before Moses and there was Scripture, and before the last book of the canon was penned. But some hold (as with the link above) that "the Word God spoke through apostles and prophets and intended for the direction of his church is now found only in sacred Scripture."

Yet, "found only in sacred Scripture" must be understood as Scripture being the source, not that such is not found in preaching of Scriptural truths, "preaching the word" as the early church corporately did, (Acts 8:4) but opposed to a separate distinct source of revelation.

However, this tends to also exclude revelatory Pentecostal gifts, which i hold as being provided for by Scripture until the perfect revelation of Christ comes, and that the "sola" of SS means that it alone is the assured Word of God and transcendent standard for obedience and testing and establishing truth claims, and that its sufficiency pertains to both materially and formally. This does not exclude that salvific Scriptural truth may be conveyed part from formal knowledge of Scripture, as in a dream to Muslims who might kill any preacher they met, but the veracity of that is subject to proof by the assured word of God.

Now its late and i have lots of packing to do. In addition, Likewise it cannot mean If what is meant that all the contradicted `itself must be explained. is contradicted by

1,812 posted on 06/11/2013 7:13:34 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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