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To: JCBreckenridge
So why is Mary any different? She had the exact same choice that Eve had - she could choose to go through with it, or she could choose otherwise. But - God left it up to her. She could have chosen otherwise, and God would have left her to her graces.

Are you saying that if Mary had rejected the "choice" to bear the Messiah, she would have remained sinless? Would she then have gone to heaven anyway because she didn't need a savior? If so, would Christ's redemption not be needed for her since she never sinned because of the graces she had already been given of God? If that is the case, as you are sounding like it is, then why couldn't/wouldn't God have just done that for ALL mankind and EVERYONE would go to heaven and Jesus wouldn't have needed to die?

1,694 posted on 06/10/2013 10:26:07 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

“Are you saying that if Mary had rejected the “choice” to bear the Messiah, she would have remained sinless?”

Yes. God asked. He did not demand.

“Would she then have gone to heaven anyway because she didn’t need a savior?”

She was already saved, by Christ himself.

“If so, would Christ’s redemption not be needed for her since she never sinned because of the graces she had already been given of God?”

Her redemption was already in Christ prior to the atonement. What you mean is that Christ’s atonement on the Cross was unnecessary for her. The two are not quite the same thing. Christ redeemed sinners on the Cross, but not her because she had never sinned.

“If that is the case, as you are sounding like it is, then why couldn’t/wouldn’t God have just done that for ALL mankind and EVERYONE would go to heaven and Jesus wouldn’t have needed to die?”

God *did* in fact do this.


1,699 posted on 06/10/2013 10:39:40 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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