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To: boatbums; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; caww; count-your-change; ...
The reason this was brought up was in reply to another's assertion that Jesus got his blood from Mary.

Got ALL ("every drop" was the exact term) from Mary. (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3025958/posts?page=1339#1339)

Did you notice that not ONE Catholic has yet to disagree with that statement?

1,485 posted on 06/09/2013 4:47:48 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
Did you notice that not ONE Catholic has yet to disagree with that (every drop(!)) statement?

Although you not address that question to myself, I noticed, nor have received reply to my own brief question in regards to "mixing" of blood asking "precisely when?".

The exaggerated "every drop" coming from the idea of Christ's humanity deriving from Mary(?) which has *some* merit, but for reason of medical knowledge needs be constrained to consideration of fetal nourishment systematic, for the egg itself is but potential for production (not to be confused with capital "C" Creation).

The egg, upon fertilization, never directly shares circulatory systems with mother. For those interested http://www.uptodate.com/contents/placental-development-and-physiology tells it better than I myself can, and this graphic (also available in larger size http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HumanEmbryogenesis.svg) possibly helpful;

Medical proofs indicate the two blood circulatory systems being distinctly separate, leaving basis of possibility (not guarantee) of there being some slight mixing of blood, at birth, from infant to mother, with that contingent upon there being some injury to the mother, a breaking of the skin of the mother with possibility for some slight re-absorption of blood, precisely there.

So much for the "passing through like glass" imaginings. Can't have it both ways. Natural childbirth for Christ? What ever on earth or heaven be the matter with that? Theologically speaking --- natural in all ways other than means of conception, is not only the wisest choice, it is the only choice...well, other than "Hark! The Herald angels sing" (to the lowly shepherds) and the Magi seeing the star and visiting, etc.

He was born much as most all are or were, with the significant difference being the conception, not the birth itself.

Otherwise, I take it there can be fetal cells (not of blood) which can remain in a mother for some. This cell transfer uptake coming through the maternal side of the placenta in the same manner fetal waste product be taken up into mothers own NON-blood circulatory connection to placenta --- and if memory serve this being more enduring in regards to cells from male fetus to mother, than female fetus to mother. Though I have no link for news item in popular press conveying such information, something to that effect I do believe surfaced not long ago.

1,488 posted on 06/09/2013 9:24:53 AM PDT by BlueDragon (if be like groundhog day around this joint; who is the groundhog, and who is the Day?)
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To: metmom
>>Did you notice that not ONE Catholic has yet to disagree with that statement?<<

They probably don’t dare for fear of being in opposition to the teachings of the RCC.

1,493 posted on 06/09/2013 10:16:58 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: metmom
Did you notice that not ONE Catholic has yet to disagree with that statement?

It is what is extrapolated from this that is the issue. Yet since all things were created thru Jesus, then every drop of blood in Mary came from God the Father thru the Son, by the Spirit.

"Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: " (Hebrews 10:5)

But other created beings want to magnify the clay to be almost equal to the potter, in contrast to, "learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. " (1 Corinthians 4:6)

Note that in Scripture, the only one in Heaven is who is prayed to, contrary to PTDS , or praised and exalted, is the Lord, and believers there are not crowned and reigning with Christ until after His coming, while they go be with the Lord upon death, not to suffer to make them good enough for Heaven. .

"I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. " (Isaiah 42:8)

"He only is my rock and my salvation: he is my defence; I shall not be moved. " (Psalms 62:6)

“Pope Pius XII explains in an address on the Queenship of Mary, ‘when the glorious Virgin Mary entered triumphantly into heaven and was elevated above the choirs of angels to the throne of the Most Holy Trinity.’ And then Christ ‘placed a triple crown of glory on her head, presented her to the heavenly court, seated her at his right hand and pronounced her Queen of the Universe.’...Opus Sanctorum Angelorum, Formation Letter, “Mary - ‘Regina Angelorum’”, April, 2000. http://www.opusangelorum.org/Formation/Maryregina.html

When therefore we read in the writings of Saint Bernard, Saint Bernardine, Saint Bonaventure, and others that all in heaven and on earth, even God himself, is subject to the Blessed Virgin, they mean that the authority which God was pleased to give her is so great that she seems to have the same power as God. Her prayers and requests are so powerful with him that he accepts them as commands in the sense that he never resists his dear mother’s prayer because it is always humble and conformed to his will.... St. Louis de Montfort, in Treatise on True Devotion to the Blessed Virgin, #27, 246. http://www.ewtn.com/library/Montfort/TRUEDEVO.HTM

“The foundation of all Our confidence, as you know well, Venerable Brethren, is found in the Blessed Virgin Mary. For, God has committed to Mary the treasury of all good things, in order that everyone may know that through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is His will, that we obtain everything through Mary.” Pope Pius IX, in Ubi Primum (On the Immaculate Conception), Encyclical promulgated on February 2, 1849, #5.

The power thus put into her (Mary’s) hands is all but unlimited. How unerringly right, then, are Christian souls when they turn to Mary for help..- Pope Leo XIII, in Adiutricem (On the Rosary), Encyclical promulgated on September 5, 1895, #8. http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13adiut.htm

Mary's role as its intercessor was spelled out in the 12th century by theologians, such as Eadmer, (c. 1124) and St. Peter Damian, and was popularized in collections of her miracles. Mary placates the judge. According to Eadmer (A.D. 1060–1124), an English monk and student of Anselm, “sometimes salvation is quicker if we remember Mary's name then if we invoked the name of the Lord Jesus...[who] does not at once, answer anyone who invokes him, but only does so after just judgment. But if the name of his mother Mary is invoked, her merits intercede so that he is answered even if the merits of him who invoked her do not deserve it...”

In the word says Anselm, through her “the elements are renewed, the netherworld is healed, the demons are trodden underfoot, men are saved and angels are restored.” in the margins out, Smithfield decretals, began again, for over a hundred folios, Mary asserts her power over devils-and sometimes also over Jews. Andrew Taylor, “Three medieval manuscripts and their readers,” University of Pennsylvania press; page 173 St. Maximillian Kolbe, 1894 – 14 August 1941 (canonized by Pope John Paul II):

"The third Person of the Blessed Trinity never took flesh; still, our human word 'spouse' is far too weak to express the reality of the relationship between the Immaculata and the Holy Spirit. We can affirm that she is, in a certain sense, the 'incarnation' of the Holy Spirit [not of the same order as that of the hypostatic union]." (133) "The union between the Immaculata and the Holy Spirit is so inexpressible, yet so perfect, that the Holy Spirit acts only by the Most Blessed Virgin, his Spouse. This is why she is the mediatrix of all graces given by the Holy Spirit. And since every grace is a gift of God the Father through the Son and by the Holy Spirit, it follows that there is no grace which Mary cannot dispose of as her own, which is not given to her for this purpose." Manteau-Bonamy, Immaculate Conception, 91; F.X. Durrwell, The Holy Spirit of God (Cincinnati: Servant Books, 2006), 183-185.

Thus is confirmed that law of merciful meditation of which We have spoken, and which St. Bernardine of Siena thus expresses: ‘Every grace granted to man has three degrees in order; for by God it is communicated to Christ, from Christ it passes to the Virgin, and from the Virgin it descends to us.’”Pope Leo XIII, in Iucunda Semper Expectatione (On the Rosary), Encyclical promulgated on September 8, 1894, #5. http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13ro5.htm I know not whether God has yet pardoned me. I may again lose Him. But thou canst obtain for me all; and from thee I hope for every good, for forgiveness, perseverance, and heaven. — Visit to the Blessed Virgin Mary — http://www.stalphonsusbalt.org/stavisits.htm

It was not only during the Passion that Jesus and Mary suffered for our sins, for all their lives that heartrending vision was before them in every detail, and never for a moment forgotten. — The Reign of Mary, Vol. 40; Issue 48

"We were condemned through the fault of one woman; we are saved through the merits of another woman. Just as Eve was the root of death for everyone, so Mary was the source of life for everyone. (Ten Series of Meditations on the Mystery of the Rosary,” by John Ferraro, Nihil Obstat - John C. Hogan, Diocesan Censor; Imprimatur (1) - Richard Cardinal Cushing Daughters of St.Paul, 1964).

"As Mother of the Word Incarnate, Mary was elevated to a certain equality with the Heavenly Father." - p. 83^

Thus every time we go to Holy Communion, something sweet to recall is that Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament is the Bread of Life produced from Mary with the flour of her Immaculate flesh, kneaded with the admixture of her virginal milk. - http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/virgin-eucharist.htm

1,497 posted on 06/09/2013 11:23:15 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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