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To: Jo Nuvark
The article makes a case for the differences. I am a Messianic believer in JESUS CHRIST and want to understand better the ideology of Zionism vs. Judaism. I think the writer makes a compelling case against Zionism.

Do you honestly believe that "anti-Zionist" Orthodox Jews are any friendlier to chrstianity than Zionists are? If anything, it's the other way around. Zionism was originally a mere secular ethnic nationalism and Herzl offered to have all the Jews baptized. Judaism, however, is totally incompatible with chrstianity. And if you don't believe that, try preaching your Yushqe to the anti-Zionists you're so fond of.

22 posted on 02/25/2013 3:49:35 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Jews might not believe they are compatible with
Christianity, but without the context and prism
of Hebrew Roots, Christians cannot fully under-
stand what it means to be Christian.

The NT is a gentile primer to get believers up
to speed on what this “grafting” really means.

(my opinion)


25 posted on 02/25/2013 4:03:55 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; All
Judaism, however, is totally incompatible with chrstianity

I have acquired a young friend who is Jewish, and goes to many of the different synagogues in Milwaukee. I am kind of shocked to find how very indoctrinated he has been against Jesus (Yeshua). I always thought that Jews taught Judaism, and Christians taught Christianity. I never knew that Jews were actually taught to despise Christ.

The Christian Churches I go to, which are born again, and therefore true Christians, all love Jews, and believe that Jews are God's Chosen People. I think that the hate that it appears Jews have for Jesus is because they are continually propagandized against Him, I think in fear of the fact that if they actually look into believing in Him, that they will loose their people, especially their young people to Him. Of course, what they do not understand is that you cannot lose your people to the true Messiah, but rather truly find them.

That being said, I believe that Christians have largely been gathered into the Church by The LORD out of Israel's lost and dispersed peoples. The difference between us and Jews, is that Jews know you are Hebrew. Even though most of us, if not all of us who are in the Church are of the lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, this knowledge has been lost to us, but not to The Father, as He seeks and chooses us out of the world. Because the knowledge of our "Hebrewness" is lost to almost all of us, and we haven't been circumcised as Hebrews, we are categorized by The LORD as gentiles. Remember that Joseph's wife, Rahab, Ruth and others in The Writings were all gentile brides. They are types of the Church, the bride of Christ.

The Writings tell us of two branches of Israel that will be made one in the end times. The LORD has preserved those that are of Israeli lineage from all the tribes that were dispersed throughout the whole world. The Northern Kingdom was dispersed well over a hundred years before The House of Judah was. When The Temple was rebuilt and a remnant came back to Israel, upon a careful reading of the records, you will find that it was the people of The Southern Kingdom that returned back. Jews, who are The Jews of today, are largely made up of Hebrews, who kept their identities as Hebrews, mainly descendants of those who lived in the Southern Kingdom. The Hebrews from the Norther Kingdom were dispersed throughout the whole world, losing their true identity, and mingled into the seed of gentiles, but are still descendants of Abraham.

Jews may despise Christians, just as the Southern Kingdom and Northern Kingdom despised and fought against each other, but the time will come when the two groups, from both Kingdoms, will be reunited again as one.

Read Hosea. You will see that a people who God rejects and sends away, a people who He calls "not His people", will again be called "His people". Jews, such as yourself, have always been called God's Chosen People, and knew/know themselves to be God's Chosen People, out of the lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Even when sent away to Babylon and it's far reaching kingdom, Jews, as a people group, knew who you were, and were not cut off from being God's People. This means that Hosea isn't referring to you, The Jews. Hosea is referring to the Hebrews from the Northern Kingdom who God sent away, breaking off from them almost altogether, who are being written about here.

After the tribulation period, the time of Jacobs troubles, many people who are descendants from The Northern Kingdom, preserved as Hebrews by The LORD, from throughout the whole world, will be gathered back to Israel, where the people of God, The Jews, already are. They will be reunited with their brethren. A careful reading of all The Writings will find this theme replete in Scriptures. Both Christians, and Jews at this time are largely blind to this truth.

Hosea 1:4 And the LORD said unto him, Call his name Jezreel; for yet a little [while], and I will avenge the blood of Jezreel upon the house of Jehu, and will cause to cease the kingdom of the house of Israel.(The House of Israel, The Northern Kingdom, not The House of Judah} .......

Hosea 1:6 And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And [God] said unto him, Call her name Loruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away.

1:7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the LORD their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen. .......

Hosea 1:9 Then said [God], Call his name Loammi: for ye [are] not my people, and I will not be your [God].

1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people, [there] it shall be said unto them, [Ye are] the sons of the living God.

1:11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great [shall be] the day of Jezreel.

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Ezekiel 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and [for] all the house of Israel his companions:

37:18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou [meanest] by these?

37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which [is] in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, [even] with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

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Genesis 17:5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

17:6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

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Ezekiel 11:15 Son of man, thy brethren, [even] thy brethren, the men of thy kindred, and all the house of Israel wholly, [are] they unto whom the inhabitants of Jerusalem have said, Get you far from the LORD: unto us is this land given in possession.

11:16 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Although I have cast them far off among the heathen, and although I have scattered them among the countries, yet will I be to them as a little sanctuary in the countries where they shall come.

11:17 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.

59 posted on 02/27/2013 12:33:09 AM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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