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To: ejonesie22
I walk with him, I also fight for him as we are commanded to do against the darkness and its’ false teachings. The all paths Oprah school of Christianity nor any of the Cults such as the LDS have not destroyed the entire faith yet.

But thanks for the concern all the same.


I find the hypocrisy of these words to be astounding. You calling the LDS church a cult reminds of me of an event in the Bible. Peter thought he was fighting for the Lord when he drew his sword and cut the ear off a Roman. Jesus rebuked Peter and then He put the Roman's ear back on and healed him[the Roman].

Jesus strictly forbade lashing out at people. Jesus gave strict warnings to people who think they are with Him, but in reality are not. They don't behave the way He said they should. They don't, in reality, do what He told them to do. No matter what people claim to believe, if they are not strictly doing what Jesus commanded them to do...They will be cast out.

I mean those are the words of Jesus Himself.

IMO, anyone that lashes out at other people, lacks charity. And anyone lacking charity will never see the inside of heaven. Because there are no mean people in heaven.
117 posted on 02/02/2013 11:57:01 PM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: MeOnTheBeach

I saw your posts on the JW thread, and see you defending the LDS here, be it out of some misguided brotherhood of cults, membership or ignorance matters not.

These “organizations” have trapped good people in their grips and should be treated accordingly. Those so trapped should be freed by any means possible. Those who enable these cults, their operators and manipulators who care little if anything for faith just the filthy lucre they see in front of them must be addressed as the false teachers they are.

The is no hypocrisy in the truth.

Since you seem prone to Bible verses here are a few.

Book of Jude
22 Be merciful to those who doubt; 23 save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.

“The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron...If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed” (1 Timothy 4:1-2,6).

“’I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears” (Acts 20:29-31).

Galatians 1
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

1 Timothy
19 Do not admit a charge against an elder except on the evidence of two or three witnesses. 20 As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.

We were never told to treat the Devil and his agents lightly, just those whom he has misled if at all possible, but if we must snatch them from the fire then so be it.

These Cults are prime examples of that.

I have seen you ask others their faith but never reveal yours as best I can tell. To make this easy I will tell you I am a Methodist by membership albeit it a very conservative one since I also spent many years in the Orthodox Church, and still attend certain services there.


118 posted on 02/03/2013 12:39:42 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: MeOnTheBeach; ejonesie22; Capt. Canuck; All
I find the hypocrisy of these words to be astounding. You calling the LDS church a cult reminds of me of an event in the Bible. Peter thought he was fighting for the Lord when he drew his sword and cut the ear off a Roman. Jesus rebuked Peter and then He put the Roman's ear back on and healed him[the Roman]. Jesus strictly forbade lashing out at people.

I find the inconsistent apprehension of the New Testament by you to be beyond astounding.

I suppose that when/if you get to heaven, you'll lecture the apostle Paul on his choice of words vs. the Galatians, eh?

You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified (Galatians 3:1)

Answer us honestly: Did Paul cross your contrived "lashing out" borderline, or not?

Or about Jesus?
Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” (John 8:46-47)

You need to even look @ the broader context of the last part of John 8 -- where Jesus references the Pharisees as "children of the devil."

I don't think somebody can be more "harsh" in speaking the truth than to say to a group of religious people:
(a) "You don't belong to God"
(b) And the reason you don't belong to God is because you don't hear the truth He speaks ("hears what God says")
(c) And you reject the truth I'm telling you right now ("you do not believe me...why don't you believe me?")
(d) And on top of that (the broader context of John 8), you are of your father, the devil, whose native language is lies!

You see what you utterly fail to realize is that both Paul and Jesus dealt differently with the religious legalists (including the Pharisees) than others.

Paul referenced the legalistic Galatians twice as "foolish" and once as "bewitched" a gentle exhortation?

Vitriolic?

More Jesus on the legalists:

Matt. 15:9: But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Matt. 16:12: ...guard against the yeast...against the TEACHING of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
Luke 11:52: ... you have taken away the key to knowledge.
John 8:44,47: You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies…The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.
Matthew 23:2-4: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

Mark 7:6-8,13: He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 7 They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.’ 8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.” …13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”

Matthew 23:2-7, 13-34 : 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them. 5 “Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7 they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.
13 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.
16 “Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’ 17 You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18 You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’ 19 You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20 Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21 And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22 And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.

23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24 You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

25 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

27 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28 In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.

You've either deliberately avoided reading these kind of passages re: your lack of comprehensive apprehension of Scripture, or you somehow think in your Biblical ignorance that citing a passage about chopping off somebody's ear equates to verbally "lashing out"...an absolutely stunning misapplication when all of the above passages were available to draw upon.

124 posted on 02/04/2013 9:30:05 AM PST by Colofornian
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