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To: NYer

It is so very sad to see when Christians fight eatch other. This gives those who are so oppose to those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior no matter what the Christian faith community “ammo” to justify their attacks.

Does not scripture call us to love one another?


147 posted on 01/06/2013 8:43:33 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
>> It is so very sad to see when Christians fight eatch other.<<

I don’t understand that point of view. I don’t see it as “fighting” each other at all. We are told many times in scripture to exort, rebuke, and correct.

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

Titus 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

Titus 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

People always come up with the “judge not” meme but the word used in John 7:24 is “krino” which means:

Short Definition: I judge, decide, think good
Definition: (a) I judge, whether in a law-court or privately: sometimes with cognate
nouns emphasizing the notion of the verb, (b) I decide, I think (it) good.
[http://biblesuite.com/strongs/greek/2919.htm]

I don’t see this as “fighting” at all. At least that is not the intent or attitude I have. If someone sees this as “fighting” then perhaps it is they who need to examine their own motives. And I don't say that to you personally at all but to anyone who thinks that by being involved in these discussion it's somehow fighting. I would suggest that "contend for the faith" would be a better term.

189 posted on 01/07/2013 4:14:48 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Biggirl
It is so very sad to see when Christians fight eatch other. This gives those who are so oppose to those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior no matter what the Christian faith community “ammo” to justify their attacks.

I have not attacked anyone...As the post indicates, your religion was built on the idea that the Church is a Roman Church and it's first leader lived and died in Rome among other things...

The bible shows these things not to be true...And as such, your religion will not lead you guys to eternal life with Jesus Christ...You might wonder why I care...

Beats me...I'm thinkin' God layed it on my heart...

Historically, the only significant highly religious person, prophet and 'church' leader that lived in Rome prior to Paul establishing a church there was a Simon Peter Magus

There is church history outside of the Catholic religion...

This may not be of interest to a Catholic but it should be of interest to all who call themselves Christian...

Simon Peter NOT With Simon Magus in Rome

Later, about the fourth century, a flood of works came out about Peter encountering Simon Magus in Rome and overthrowing him. But these works are clearly fiction. Almost all scholars realize the absurdity of maintaining such a thing. In the first place, it can be Biblically shown that Peter The Apostle was NEVER in Rome when these fictitious writings say he should be.

It was NOT Simon Peter who went to Rome to become Apostle to the Gentiles, but the SIMON in Rome was SIMON MAGUS!

That Peter the Apostle was not with Simon Magus in Rome is made plain by the Encyclopedia Biblica, col. 4554.

"The attempt has been made to meet this by pointing out that church fathers mention the presence of SIMON in Rome while at the same time NOT speaking of controversies between him and PETER. This is indeed true of Justin [one of the earliest witnesses -- 152 A.D.] who knows nothing of any presence of Peter in Rome at all, as also of Irenaeus."

Not only did Justin feel that Peter was NOT in Rome at the time, but his deliberate silence shows he didn't want to perpetrate such fiction. After all, Justin lived very early in the history of the church, and the legend of the Apostle Peter's being in Rome HADN'T GOT STARTED YET! Continuing with the Encyclopedia Biblica about Justin's reference to SIMON MAGUS: "One part of this tradition -- that about Simon's presence in Rome -- he [Justin] found himself able to accept [in fact he held it to be confirmed by the statue, which he brought into connection with Simon]; the other -- that about Peter' s presence in Rome -- he was unable to accept" (col. 4555).

Of course Justin was unable to accept the latter teaching. The fact is, Simon Peter was NOT in Rome. It was another Simon who went there -- SIMON MAGUS, the one bringing "Christianity" to them in the guise of the old Babylonian mystery religions. Simon came to Rome with the grand idea of stablishing a UNIVERSAL RELIGION in the NAME of Christianity! And what is remarkable, he did just that!

Next, we will see how Simon Magus became later confused with Simon Peter and how he cleverly brought "Christianity" the mystery religions of Babylon.

248 posted on 01/07/2013 7:10:52 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Biggirl
It is so very sad to see when Christians fight eatch other. This gives those who are so oppose to those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior no matter what the Christian faith community “ammo” to justify their attacks.

Truth is exclusive by nature, and Christianity began in division from others, and its perpetuation often requires the same, (1Cor. 11:19) while by condemning dispute then you yourself are posting a divisive view against others who disagree.

Here the contention is against those who incessantly preach a particular church here as supreme, and exclude Prots who preach Christ as being Christian churches in the proper sense. And some deny they can be saved unless they convert to Catholicism. And thus we reveal the lack of clothes the emporer has, while "a living dog is better than a dead lion." (Eccl. 9:4) As Daid said, , "Is there not a cause?"

952 posted on 01/10/2013 7:52:38 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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