11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome

stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

[metmom]

Jesus ASCENDED into heaven.....SOMEONE HAD TO BE THE HEAD CHEESE HEre on EARTH TO SPREAD THE GOSPEL!!!!

No, nobody have to be the *head cheese* to spread the gospel. That is the responsibility of EVERY believer, not just a select few.

Jesus is the head of His church.

Ephesians 5:23-24 23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.

Jesus gave us the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit to enable us to carry out His directive and to guide us into all truth.

Acts 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

Acts 1:8

Power = dynamin

Definition: (a) physical power, force, might, ability, efficacy, energy, meaning (b) plur: powerful deeds, deeds showing (physical) power, marvelous works.

1411 dýnamis (from 1410 /dýnamai, "able, having ability") – properly, "ability to perform" (L-N); for the believer, power to achieve by applying the Lord's inherent abilities. "Power through God's ability" (1411 /dýnamis) is needed in every scene of life to really grow in sanctification and prepare for heaven (glorification). 1411 (dýnamis) is a very important term, used 120 times in the NT.

[svcw]

The church is people not a building.....hence “where two or more are gathered”.

[metmom]

Who guards the gate of heaven? Have you never thought about this before?

Where does the Bible state that the gates of heaven are guarded?

[Sontagged]

Iscool, thanks for your proof texts as to why Peter was never in Rome. The most interesting thing to me is how intelligent and faithful Christians who happen to be Catholic misunderstand the whole meaning of when Peter “answered not by flesh and blood” about Christ's divinity but through the Spirit and it is not upon the PERSON of Peter that the church would be built but upon the revelatory and miraculous nature of what Peter had just said to Jesus.

Because, these good Christians who are very smart and very Catholic, love to skip the next portion of the story when Jesus tells Peter “Get thee behind me, Satan”!

Wow. So in a few quick minutes Peter hears from Heaven and answers Jesus in a revelatory manner, and Jesus basically bequeaths on Peter the authority given to Moses when Moses had to delegate to others the task of adjudicating religious matters for the Hebrews because it was too tiring for him, (Thus is the Jewish meaning of binding and loosing as things are done in Heaven) and then, Peter (who had just heard from God the Father in order to answer Jesus) then speaks for Satan!

Upon this rock of heavenly revelation has Christ built His Church.

There is no Bible proof Peter was ever in Rome.

Thanks again Iscool and I also pinged PastorBillRandles in case I am off the mark but i have done a lot of study on the binding and loosing business. It is essentially authority.

Finally for Ann Archy, I do have to say that Protestants do sometimes miss the importance of the 12 Disciples. Their significance as first hand witnesses to the time between the Old Covenant and the New, to Jesus Christ in the flesh, is well documented in scripture and I take offense, as I know Pastor Randles does to any group that considers themselves on par with the Apostles.

The church is a building built upon the Foundation of the Old Testament Prophets and the New Testament Apostles, with Christ as Chief Cornerstone, and no other foundation can be laid for the church.

Blessings on all FReepers in Christ.

Peter's Confession of Christ

13 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?”

14 So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”

16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

20 Then He commanded His disciples that they should tell no one that He was Jesus the Christ.

Jesus Predicts His Death and Resurrection

21 From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.

22 Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”

23 But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.” http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2016:13-23&version=NKJV

[editor-surveyor]

Church on sunday is just a farce.

The sabbath is the Lord’s day. There is nowhere in scripture that changes that etrernal fact.

Easter? fine day of pagan worship. Yeshua’s followers have the Passover. These things are unchallenged in the scriptures.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “Who guards the gate of heaven?” <<

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According to God’s word, the Cherubim are the guards of heaven.

There is no need for further thought when something is so well explained in the scriptures.

[svcw]

Really? What a strange statement.

Christians have been around since the beginning of Christianity.

What is your point?

Most Christians consider themselves part of the Body of Christ not a denomination.

[metmom]

Didn’t He also say to Peter “get thee behind me Satan”?

Matthew 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Yeah. Right after He said this.....

Matthew 16:17-19 17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

Interesting that....

[metmom]

And it was assembled by the council of Catholic Bishops under the authority of the Pope in Rome.

So what? It was assembled.

It was written long before that.

Simply compiling it is no great feat.

[Salvation]

The image of St. Peter in charge of "the pearly gates" is not taken directly from Scripture but is based on two things that Scripture does say. The first is that Peter was given the "keys of the kingdom" and the power to "bind" and "loose" by Christ (Matt. 16:18–19). Indeed, one cannot knowingly and deliberately cut off communion with Peter and his successors without committing schism and denying oneself heaven

[editor-surveyor]

>> “God doesn’t smile down on people who celebrate Easter.” <<

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I firmly believe that anyone that fails to repent of celebrating pagan days like christmas and easter will not find eternal life.

[BipolarBob]

Did angels not guard the gates of Eden until The Flood?

[metmom]

GREAT!!!! now I won't have to go to Mass every week, in fact we don't need churches at all....everyone just get a bible and kind of "do your own thing"....oh wait, that's what protestants do now...

Matthew 18:19-20 19 Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”

So, do you have any Scripture verses to show us the command to attend *church*?

[CynicalBear]

I suppose when they can declare themselves infallible and insert meanings into scripture they can also ignore some of it? They take the comment by Christ and misinterpret it to usurp Christ’s authority but neglect to also quote the part where Christ called Peter “satan”. Go figure.

I thought it really interesting that the Catholics start a thread with a article that admits that the time and teaching of Peter in Rome is really “uncertain” “solved only on hypotheses”.

From the article
“As to the duration of his Apostolic activity in the Roman capital, the continuity or otherwise of his residence there, the details and success of his labours, and the chronology of his arrival and death, all these questions are uncertain, and can be solved only on hypotheses more or less well-founded.

I would shudder in fear if my faith and salvation was based on “uncertain” and “hypotheses”.

I’ll stay founded on the Rock of Jesus.

[terycarl]

Christians have been around since the beginning of Christianity.

that would certainly be correct, and until the so called reformation, the Christians called themselves Catholic. Only after Luther and the other "reformers decided to make up their own denominations did Christians call themselves protestants.There were no protestants on Columbus' ships.

[CynicalBear]

When God says He hates something thats enough for me to stay away from it.

[svcw]

That is a real stretch.
Eternal Life is given freely by God Almighty who gave us a Way - Jesus Christ.
We are not worthy of this Gift of Grace, yet it is given.
Celebrating Easter as a representation of the Crucifixion and Resurrection of the Living Christ does not deny someone the Gift of Salvation.
Celebration of CHRISTmas as representing the Birth of Christ of the Living Christ does not deny someone the Gift of Salvation.
People choose Christ or they don't, they do so of their own free will, Easter and Christmas have nothing to do with the lack of Salvation.

[mitch5501]

"I’ll stay founded on the Rock of Jesus."

Amen.I'll be right there with you brother.He's a big rock!

[editor-surveyor]

>> “The New Testament of the Bible did not exist for 300 years after Christ ascended into heaven” <<

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Nonsense.

The Gospels existed in the british isles in the Galic and Gothic languages, in the first century, during the rein of Tiberius. This fact is in recorded history.

[metmom]

The image of St. Peter in charge of "the pearly gates" is not taken directly from Scripture but is based on two things that Scripture does say. The first is that Peter was given the "keys of the kingdom" and the power to "bind" and "loose" by Christ (Matt. 16:18–19). Indeed, one cannot knowingly and deliberately cut off communion with Peter and his successors without committing schism and denying oneself heaven

Alrighty, then. Salvation is not through Christ after all, it's through Peter and his successors.

Thanks for clearing that up for us after all.

Next time we say then that salvation is through the Catholic church and some Catholic tells us that we're wrong, we can refer back to this.....