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To: Natural Law

>What you seem to fail to understand is that this is not a debate or even a campaign for the hearts and minds of the innocent and ignorant. No preponderance of "evidence" that flies in the face of fundamental truths developed and affirmed over 2,000 years is going to sway anyone away from that truth.

Rather, what you seem to fail to understand is while no amount of evidence may convince one who believes Rome cannot be wrong, the weight of Scriptural warrant, which is not the basis for assurance of the veracity of Rome's doctrines, does convince seekers of truth, and while exposing the presumption of Rome, and false and audacious assertions of some her apologists. Which exposes their desperation.


66 posted on 07/23/2012 8:44:56 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
"Which exposes their desperation."

Do not flatter yourself by over estimating the power of your rhetoric. You will not succeed where the fathers of the reformation have failed. Their legacy is a chaotic soup of ever divergent doctrines and heresies because they, like you appear to, falsely believed that they could create a truth contrary to God.

Truth and faith do not proceed from premise, nor do they shrink from reason. Logic and argument can lead to the truth, but they cannot create a truth out of whole cloth as the reformation attempted to do. The reformation relied on distortions, fabrications and exclusion of any Scripture or writing it found problematic. Reciting the tired canards of the Reformation in a new forum will not lead to a different result. To realize the Truth you must accept that in the supremely wise arrangement of God, sacred Tradition, sacred Scripture and the Magisterium of the Church are so connected and associated that one of them cannot stand without the others.

Peace be with you

72 posted on 07/23/2012 10:07:53 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: daniel1212

“Rather, what you seem to fail to understand is while no amount of evidence may convince one who believes Rome cannot be wrong, the weight of Scriptural warrant, which is not the basis for assurance of the veracity of Rome’s doctrines, does convince seekers of truth, and while exposing the presumption of Rome, and false and audacious assertions of some her apologists. Which exposes their desperation.”

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How silly to say, especially when spending your FR time posting quotes from the Church, Catholic Saints, the Apostolic Fathers to try and prove the Church wrong.

It is a real disconnect, there are no Protestants to quote until 1517~~``!! The big guy is overused, the one you try to slip in there to look legitimate, Constantine. Didn’t his beloved mother St. Helena find the true Cross? Yes.

I challenge you to watch the Youtube I posted. I posted it for you. Please tell me your thoughts once you watch it Daniel.

PPllleeeeaaaasse.

blessings,

Brent Stubbs, former Pentecostal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CypJuCjn5FE


76 posted on 07/23/2012 11:51:36 PM PDT by stpio
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