Posted on 07/22/2012 2:20:02 PM PDT by stpio
Sorry, but I read it as your preference. I saw no request. But even so this is the style I use and prefer. I would prefer that you do the same to make it easier to address specific points but how you respond is up to you and how I respond is up to me.
Well again, it's not Sunday in Acts 20:6. The literal interpretation is this:
(LITV) And on the first of the sabbaths, the disciples having been assembled to break bread, being about to depart on the morrow, Paul reasoned to them. And he continued his speech until midnight.
At the very least this takes place on Saturday night. And it mentions breaking bread, a common term for eating. I do this all the time on the sabbath...we have snacks or a potluck after our afternoon service. In other words, they had a regular sabbath followed by a meal.
Already in the Old Testament, God expresses disappointment over the Hebrew Sabbath (Isa. 1:13)
The context of this isn't that the Sabbaths of the Lord are bad, but the way were being observed was an affront to the Lord. Isa 1:4 Alas, sinful nation, A people laden with iniquity, A brood of evildoers, Children who are corrupters! They have forsaken the LORD, They have provoked to anger The Holy One of Israel, They have turned away backward.
Such a people are just going through the motions:
Isa 1:13 Bring no more futile sacrifices; Incense is an abomination to Me. The New Moons, the Sabbaths, and the calling of assemblies— I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred meeting.
Isa 1:14 Your New Moons and your appointed feasts My soul hates; They are a trouble to Me, I am weary of bearing them.
It's like a modern day Christian sinning and sinning but still physically pretending to worship God. It's why the Lord calls them "YOUR" new moon and feast, not the Lords. They ARE the Lords, but the people had corrupted themselves and defiled His sabbaths.
I've already addressed much of the rest of your post so I won't rehash that again.
That is the exact point to study, what did the Father send Messiah to raise up again? Messiah gives us the answer:
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel
And Caiaphas the High Priest also prophesied this when he said
Joh 11:49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all, 50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not. 51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation; 52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
Then we see in Acts 1, the disciples asking Messiah
Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Spirit is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Which is directly related to Acts 3
Act 3:18 But the things which God foreshowed by the mouth of all the prophets, that his Christ should suffer, he thus fulfilled.
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out, that so there may come seasons of refreshing from the presence of the Lord;
Act 3:20 and that he may send the Christ who hath been appointed for you, even Jesus: 21 whom the heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, whereof God spake by the mouth of His holy prophets that have been from of old.
Act 3:22 Moses indeed said, A prophet shall the Lord God raise up unto you from among your brethren, like unto me. To him shall ye hearken in all things whatsoever he shall speak unto you. 23 And it shall be, that every soul that shall not hearken to that prophet, shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.
Act 3:24 Yea and all the prophets from Samuel and them that followed after, as many as have spoken, they also told of these days. 25 Ye are the sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with your fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.
Act 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Servant, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.
Messiah came to restore, not to create anything new. The Good News is ALL about the restoration of God's Name & His authority on earth by way of God's grace in forgiveness of sin's through His Son, Yeshua(Jesus) the Messiah. (Gen 3:15- promise 1st given of a redeemer)
Then moving on to Acts 7, we see Stephen and his testimony that there has only been one church of God and that church was formed at the base of Mt Sinai
Act 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. 38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
Act 7:39 To whom our fathers would not obey, but thrust him from them, and in their hearts turned back again into Egypt, 40 Saying unto Aaron, Make us gods to go before us: for as for this Moses, which brought us out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him.
These acts of disobedience we are told are written & given to us as examples of how not to turn our backs to God, but instead turn back to Him & His Way (Ps 119:1)
>B> 1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, :4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
1Co 10:6 Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted.
Heb 4:1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it.
Heb 4:2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.
Heb 4:3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: “SO I SWORE IN MY WRATH, ‘THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST,’ “ although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Heb 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS”;
Heb 4:5 and again in this place: “THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.”
Heb 4:9 There remains therefore a Sabbath-keeping for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. 11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.
One only has to take a quick read of the early church council canons, starting in 321 AD, to see that the entire doctrine of Christianity is nothing more than doctrine and traditions of man. They openly admit that there is NO Scriptural basis for any of the changes made other than to make it more convenient for pagans to join the church. Body count & political religious power! That is the core foundation for ALL of the tossing out of God's Way (Ps 119:1). And then there is the fact that the Catholic church admits it and is proud of it! Arrogance is such an unflattering trait and it is an abomination in the eyes of God. (2 Peter)
Psa 94:1 O LORD God, to whom vengeance belongs— O God, to whom vengeance belongs, shine forth!
Psa 94:2 Rise up, O Judge of the earth; Render punishment to the proud.
Psa 94:3 LORD, how long will the wicked, How long will the wicked triumph?
Psa 94:4 They utter speech, and speak insolent things; All the workers of iniquity boast in themselves.
Psa 94:5 They break in pieces Your people, O LORD, And afflict Your heritage.
Psa 94:6 They slay the widow and the stranger, And murder the fatherless.
Psa 94:7 Yet they say, “The LORD does not see, Nor does the God of Jacob understand.”
Psa 94:8 Understand, you senseless among the people; And you fools, when will you be wise?
Psa 94:9 He who planted the ear, shall He not hear? He who formed the eye, shall He not see?
Psa 94:10 He who instructs the nations, shall He not correct, He who teaches man knowledge?
Psa 94:11 The LORD knows the thoughts of man, That they are futile.
Psa 94:12 Blessed is the man whom You instruct, O LORD, And teach out of Your law, 13 That You may give him rest from the days of adversity, Until the pit is dug for the wicked.
Fact, “the fathers” knew of the redeemer and they knew the reward was not of this earth, but of an eternal kingdom to come via Messiah. Yes, they too believed in him who would be sent by the Father
Heb 11:24 By faith Moses, when he became of age, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter, 25 choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, 26 esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt; for he looked to the reward.
One Father, One House, One People, One Church, the true church of God that was formed at the base of Mt Sinai when God spoke:
Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine. 6 And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.”
Exo 19:9 And the LORD said to Moses, “Behold, I come to you in the thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with you, and believe you forever.” So Moses told the words of the people to the LORD.
Mat 23:1 Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. Mat 23:3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.
One only has to take a quick read of the early church council canons, starting in 321 AD, to see that the entire doctrine of Christianity is nothing more than doctrine and traditions of man. They openly admit that there is NO Scriptural basis for any of the changes made other than to make it more convenient for pagans to join the church. Body count & political religious power! That is the core foundation for ALL of the tossing out of God’s Way (Ps 119:1). And then there is the fact that the Catholic church admits it and is proud of it! Arrogance is such an unflattering trait and it is an abomination in the eyes of God. (2 Peter)
Holding church service is not resting and a day of rest is what the Sabbath was for.
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Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
The Catholic Church claims to have changed the Sabbath from the seventh day of the week to the first day of the week and like you say they admit there is no scripture even hints at such a thing.
Can you imagine the turmoil that would have taken place and that we would be reading about in the new testament if such a thing had of even been mentioned?
Another thing that was started by the same church was tithes, there is no authority what so ever of any one except the Levitic priests to collect tithes.
These things, brethren, out of the affection which I entertain for you, I have felt compelled to write, exhorting you with a view to the glory of God, not as if I were a person of any consequence, but simply as a brother. Be ye subject to the bishop, to the presbyters, and to the deacons. Love one another in the Lord, as being the images of God. Take heed, ye husbands, that ye love your wives as your own members. Ye wives also, love your husbands, as being one with them in virtue of your union. If any one lives in chastity or continence, let him not be lifted up, lest he lose his reward. Do not lightly esteem the festivals. Despise not the period of forty days, for it comprises an imitation of the conduct of the Lord. After the week of the passion, do not neglect to fast on the fourth and sixth days, distributing at the same time of thine abundance to the poor. If any one fasts on the Lord’s Day or on the Sabbath, except on the paschal Sabbath only, he is a murderer of Christ.
Ignatius to the Ephesians
If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death—whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master—how shall we be able to live apart from Him, whose disciples the prophets themselves in the Spirit did wait for Him as their Teacher? And therefore He whom they rightly waited for, being come, raised them from the dead.
If, then, those who were conversant with the ancient Scriptures came to newness of hope, expecting the coming of Christ, as the Lord teaches us when He says, “If ye had believed Moses, ye would have believed Me, for he wrote of Me;” and again, “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it, and was glad; for before Abraham was, I am;” how shall we be able to live without Him? The prophets were His servants, and foresaw Him by the Spirit, and waited for Him as their Teacher, and expected Him as their Lord and Saviour, saying, “He will come and save us.” Let us therefore no longer keep the Sabbath after the Jewish manner, and rejoice in days of idleness; for “he that does not work, let him not eat.” For say the [holy] oracles, “In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat thy bread.”But let every one of you keep the Sabbath after a spiritual manner, rejoicing in meditation on the law, not in relaxation of the body, admiring the workmanship of God, and not eating things prepared the day before, nor using lukewarm drinks, and walking within a prescribed space, nor finding delight in dancing and plaudits which have no sense in them. And after the observance of the Sabbath, let every friend of Christ keep the Lord’s Day as a festival, the resurrection-day, the queen and chief of all the days [of the week]. Looking forward to this, the prophet declared, “To the end, for the eighth day,”on which our life both sprang up again, and the victory over death was obtained in Christ, whom the children of perdition, the enemies of the Saviour, deny, “whose god is their belly, who mind earthly things,” who are “lovers of pleasure, and not lovers of God, having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof.” These make merchandise of Christ, corrupting His word, and giving up Jesus to sale: they are corrupters of women, and covetous of other men’s possessions, swallowing up wealth insatiably; from whom may ye be delivered by the mercy of God through our Lord Jesus Christ!
So we see very early on, they were already moving to ADD to God's Law and eventually that addition ended in the taking God completely out of the equation and replacing man's authority over God's.
And while I agree with you that Messiah ascended to the Father on the first day of the week, he rose from the grave on his Sabbath, 72 hrs after being put in the grave prior to the High Sabbath of Passover beginning at sundown according to the law in Dt 21:23, therefore placing his resurrection prior to sunset on the 7th day Sabbath. And that is where I think the big mistake is. Taking the ascension and the resurrection and making them to mean one single event when they are two distinct events that happened at two distinct times. He had to defeat death on the Sabbath and then be the first fruits of the 7th Day resurrection on its appointed day, the morrow after the weekly Sabbath following the High Sabbath of Passover.
John 20:17 Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’ “
As Messiah was resurrected on the Sabbath, so shall all of God's children be resurrected on the Sabbath, the Millennial Sabbath reign of Messiah. It is ALL prophesy being revealed to us if we just have eyes to see and ears to hear what the Father is trying to reveal to us.
As Messiah was resurrected on the Sabbath, so shall all of God’s children be resurrected on the Sabbath, the Millennial Sabbath reign of Messiah. It is ALL prophesy being revealed to us if we just have eyes to see and ears to hear what the Father is trying to reveal to us.
English or rather what i call English is all i half way understand and the book i read plainly says that Mary went to the tomb of Jesus after the Sabbath but i realize that does not mean that Jesus did not rise on the Sabbath.
Ignatius to the Philippians
I wonder if the Philippians were still around when that letter was wrote or forged or what ever.
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