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To: dragonblustar; ReformationFan

“Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control.” (I Timothy 2:11-15)

I don’t know of any legitimate bible scholars of Greek that think St. Paul was saying there a woman is saved because she has kids.

Paul talks a lot throughout the New Testament about how people are justified, or “saved” and never distinguishes between men and women—all come to God through Jesus. The Church has always taught that too, men and women are both saved the same way...so to try to pretend there’s confusion on something where there is none, is just not helpful.

The verse is assuring Christians that in THE most dangerous life-event for a woman in the ancient (and up into the 1800s) world, child-birth, she will be protected, that’s all.

If you meant that remark to mock the bible so as to dismiss what it says about male authority in the Church, you’re only mocking and dismissing yourself.


28 posted on 07/16/2012 7:36:48 PM PDT by AnalogReigns (reality is analog, not digital...)
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To: Valpal1; AnalogReigns

Thank you both for your good responses.

Here are two good videos dealing with this topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=t5584lmAQUU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlJnvM8CwY4


33 posted on 07/16/2012 7:47:52 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: AnalogReigns
If you meant that remark to mock the bible so as to dismiss what it says about male authority in the Church, you’re only mocking and dismissing yourself.

I have done no such thing. I just wanted to have clarification. Do you have specific siting in the bible to go along with what you said?

39 posted on 07/16/2012 8:06:48 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: AnalogReigns
I don’t know of any legitimate bible scholars of Greek that think St. Paul was saying there a woman is saved because she has kids.

One of the problems I have with "legitimate" bible scholars is that they twist and spin in all sorts of uncomfortable ways in order to deny what the black words on the white page say.

43 posted on 07/16/2012 8:37:40 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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