Posted on 06/16/2012 8:39:57 AM PDT by NYer
Speak in complete, grammatically-correct sentences if you actually want people to understand a word you are saying.
The John of Nepomuk story is partly apocryphal. He was apparently murdered by the king after crossing him. However most historians are convinced today that he was not killed over the issue of the secret of the confessional.
Liberals use this to discredit the whole canonization process, pointing out that this error of historical fact within the canonization bull renders the whole process untrustworthy.
The Church has never claimed infallibility regarding historical facts in the official lives of saints.
Whether the very act of canonizing enjoys infallibility or not is a theological dispute that has never been officially resolved. Some very orthodox and faithful theologians say, no, canonizations do not enjoy infallibility. (After all, they are fundamentally liturgical decisions and liturgy belongs to discipline, not doctrine. The Church can make mistakes about liturgy, witness the decision to undertake excessively far-reaching reforms after Vatican II.()
It’s a slippery slope. Expect priests to report sex crimes against children and people will start asking why Penn State faculty don’t have to.
I want all governments out of all religious affairs.
Im on a cell phone. Argue the point, not my grammar. If Sandusky came to you and told you he butt raped 10 kids. What would you do? Case closed. Get off my grammar. I have 4 degrees with auto-correct..
Thank you. See my post a couple down..
If you don't know, perhaps you need to look into the matter.
"Where do we draw the line with personal safety?" you asked. Somewhere other than the confessional. Otherwise, a priest would have to report to the authorities that a penitent: had hit his or her intimate partner; had spanked his child and felt badly about it; drank too much on occasion; used recreational drugs; drove too fast and didn't always fully stop at stop signs; went to bars, got drunk, and had sex with guys he didn't know; was feeling depressed and might be suicidal; hated his coworker and wanted to strangle him; fill in every other "personal safety" issue.
Yes, sexual abuse of children is very bad, but lots of other things are very bad, too. A government that promotes abortion for pre-teen girls does not think there is anything wrong with adults' having sex with minors. A government that has homosexual "tolerance" programs in junior high school does not think there is anything wrong with adults' having sex with minors. They are playing on your emotions and your gut feelings to damage an organization that, for all its failures on the ground, at least has consistent and unalterable moral standards for sexual behavior, which everyone would be much better off if they followed.
Your nuts. You wrote 3 paragraphs of gibberish. I defend children more than religious ideology. One is destructive in the present tense. Stand up for children dammit! This is an embarrassment to the catholic religion. Grow up.
I don't have any, either literal or figurative.
Also, I'm not the one who doesn't know whether or not I'm a priest.
Have a nice day.
I do. Big ones. Have a great Saturday.... great sparring with you.. im actually a great guy and would love to chat. We would probably get along...
Jeff
Do you have nuts, and are you a priest?? Be honest... :0)
Best wishes! I was having a fairly good day, but now I have to go to Walmart ...
I wonder what else they’d have to report them for:
From “The Commitments”
Steve Clifford: [in confessional] Used to, when I studied I would sing hymns, but now all I can sing is “When A Man Loves A Woman” by Marvin Gaye
Father Molloy: Percy Sledge.
Steve Clifford: What?
Father Molloy: It was Percy Sledge did that particular song. I have the album.
Steve Clifford: Oh...
If you think that sending off incoherent sentence fragments makes you smart, I guess you must be right.
“Choose now which master you will serve ...”
This is just a crude attack on the Catholic church. If they were serious about it, accommodations could be made to “improve the situation”, but without breaking the confessional.
“A priest may ask the penitent for a release from the sacramental seal to discuss the confession with the person himself or others.” (But must still conceal their identity.)
So I imagine a process could be created with an emphasis on helping the victim, that would be to some extent dependent on the cooperation of the sex offender.
The logical problem would be to prevent a chain of evidence leading back to the confessional and the offender. If that could be done, with very strict rules, it would both protect the confessional and help the victim.
In 5th grade, in Sister Saint Catherine’s class, she warned us this would happen within our lifetime. The woman was prophetic. Gay marriage, abortion and the like! We have seen many other predictions of hers come true. This one is really important. It is a promise between a confessor and the person confessing that it will remain private. Let us see if the ordained men in this case stand upto the test.
We are coming to a time when to be a christian is going to be a crime. This is one thing the sister forcast. We will be held accountable for making one of them feel uncomfortable in their wrong doing. Perhaps we will get jail time or even worse. It appears it is only years away. In certain circles, even now, you can be in trouble for saying homosexuality is wrong. And abortion, the killing of babies, that is now concidered perfectly acceptable. What next? Whatever they think of. About 1960, people changed. From then until now you can perceive the change happening. Little by little, something eroded decency. Morals are gone. People do not go to church anymore. Wait until it starts. I bet the first thing the people will do is start attending church again. They will think that God will forget all the years of inattentiveness. But will he? Would you?
Typical politicians. This has little to do with breaking the seal and everything to do with control of Catholic policies. Small steps....
” E. Pluribus Unum to goseminoles If you think that sending off incoherent sentence fragments makes you smart,I guess you must be right.
If you can’t make an intellectual argument, pound sand..
” E. Pluribus Unum to goseminoles If you think that sending off incoherent sentence fragments makes you smart,I guess you must be right.
If you can’t make an intellectual argument, pound sand..
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