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To: NKP_Vet
Are you saved?” asks the Fundamentalist. The Catholic reply: “As the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:18, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15). Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13).”

The difference being that Christians KNOW that they ARE saved, not that they will be because they know that they ARE saved NOW.

Ephesians 1:3-14 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12 so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

Ephesians 2:4-7 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ— by grace you have been saved— 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

Colossians 1:13-14 13 He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Scripture could not be more clear that we are sealed with the Holy Spirit to guarantee and ensure our salvation.

God is faithful even when we are faithless, (2 Timothy 2) because He knows our frame and remembers that we are dust. (Psalm 103)

123 posted on 06/15/2012 4:55:58 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

“The difference being that Christians KNOW that they ARE saved, not that they will be because they know that they ARE saved NOW”

So I guess Saint Paul was a liar.


131 posted on 06/15/2012 8:57:21 AM PDT by NKP_Vet (creep.)
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To: metmom
The difference being that Christians KNOW that they ARE saved, not that they will be because they know that they ARE saved NOW.

Scripture could not be more clear that we are sealed with the Holy Spirit to guarantee and ensure our salvation.

God is faithful even when we are faithless, (2 Timothy 2) because He knows our frame and remembers that we are dust. (Psalm 103)

Our Lord differs with you:

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven."
(Matt 7:21)
Saint Paul also had something to say on the matter:
Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor sodomites nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.
(1 Cor 6:9-10)
Our Lord provided for the forgiveness of post-baptismal sins:
[Jesus] said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.”
(John 20:21-23)
God said it, I believe it, that settles it.
136 posted on 06/15/2012 10:48:41 AM PDT by Petrosius
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