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The hidden exodus: Catholics becoming Protestants
NCR ^ | Apr. 18, 2011 | Thomas Reese

Posted on 05/17/2012 5:40:57 PM PDT by Gamecock

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To: stpio
“Banging” is a very uncouth term, why did you choose it?

In your eyes, 'banging' 'on' the mod is what I see you doing. By all means keep it up, keep questioning the mods about 'unfairness'. You may have to be a little more dramatic to get the response I want, I mean you want.

1,421 posted on 06/08/2012 3:47:33 PM PDT by xone
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To: count-your-change

“stpio, the more I read your replies the more I feel this VESUVIUS of biting, vitriolic sarcasm rising in my gorge, rising through the multiple layers of rock hard restraint and good judgment with the very real possibility of erupting and spoiling my reply box for some time.”

~ ~ ~

I don’t know the meaning of your “big” word Vesuvius?

I can’t lie, history and prophecy says one thing. I’ll be
general, people can’t run away forever.

I really liked some of your questions. It shows evidence of being open to change, to a change of heart.


1,422 posted on 06/08/2012 3:55:57 PM PDT by stpio
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To: xone
Another huge surprise! A noob on the RF banging on a mod. That always turns out swell.

One can only hope.

1,423 posted on 06/08/2012 4:02:14 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: stpio; metmom; boatbums
>>lay” people have the same authority as Peter and the Apostles<<

Yep!

Acts 15:8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by granting them the Holy Spirit just as he did us. 9 He made no distinction between us and them, for by faith he purified their hearts.

Now, you claim that “That’s not what those verses are about”. If that “Holy Spirit” that was given to the apostles is also given to us and “He made no distinction between us and them” how is it that we don’t have the “same Spirit” guiding us in our interpretation? When the apostle says that we have been given the “same Spirit” how is it that somehow the so called “magesterium” has a superior Spirit? Can you find from scripture where there was a different “Spirit” given to some than to others? If not, we have the same Spirit to teach us that the apostles had. That is unless one chooses some fallible “magesterium” bent on control authority over that of the true Spirit of God given to all who accept Christ as Savior rather than a group including Mary.

The Bereans were commended for “searching the scriptures daily” to see if what even the apostles taught was true. They could not have done that if they didn’t have the ability to understand what the scripture was saying. Only the RCC tries to keep that from happening.

1 John 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

>> since Scripture clearly demonstrates Peter’s primacy the Council of Jerusalem must be read in that context.<<

Riiigggghhhttt. That’s why it was James who at the end was the final “authority” and made the statement “Wherefore my sentence is,”. Maybe he forgot to say “Peter’s decision is” or something? Only the RCC trying to usurp the authority of the Holy Spirit would blaspheme the Holy Spirit to retain control rather than submit to Christ.

It’s the RCC assertion that the Pope is the "Vicar of Christ." A "vicar" is "One serving as a substitute or agent; one authorized to perform the functions of another in higher office." (Webster). When one searches the Bible from cover to cover, he finds only one passage which gives an indication of a vicar of Christ or God. It is 2 Thess. 2:3-4; it is worded as follows:

"Let no one deceive you in any way, for the day of the Lord will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and is exalted above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he sits in the temple of God and gives himself out as if he were God."

The Catholics today speak of the Pope as vicar, taking the place of God (Christ Himself is God, Matt. 1:23; John 1:1), yet there is only one passage in the entire Bible which speaks of a man doing such and it calls him "the man of sin."

>>He says from the earliest days God chose HIM, among the rest of the apostles, to covert the Gentiles.<<

Jesus also told Peter “get thee behind me Satan”. Shouldn’t we use that as Peter’s status since it came directly from Jesus?

Mark 8:31-33 "He then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after three days rise again. He spoke plainly about this, and Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. 'Get behind me, Satan!' he said, 'You do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.'"

1,424 posted on 06/08/2012 4:09:49 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: xone

“Banging” is a very uncouth term, why did you choose it?

“In your eyes, ‘banging’ ‘on’ the mod is what I see you doing. By all means keep it up, keep questioning the mods about ‘unfairness’. You may have to be a little more dramatic TO GET THE RESPONSE I WANT, I mean you want.”

~ ~ ~

Thanks for explaining, it’s such a vulgar word.

I was talking to one Mod or thought I was. No more
questioning to point out the obvious.

Remember, there is a Scripture verse, after a point, letting people believe the falsehood. Their falsehood. Don’t do it. The anti-Christ is going to abolish the Eucharist. Why would he do this if it weren’t true?

Catholics care.


1,425 posted on 06/08/2012 4:13:56 PM PDT by stpio
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To: stpio; count-your-change; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
I am sorry CYC, the above is false. HISTORY shows and the famous major science tested MIRACLES are more proof the RCC is the Church Jesus established.

Good. Then show us the evidence. Provide links to said science tested miracles.

The Roman Catholic Church canonized Scripture.

So what? It means nothing. Nobody outside the Catholic church gives a rip about the RCC adding its stamp of approval to what was already known to be Scripture.

Scripture stands on its own recognized as the inspired word of God before the RCC canonized it.

God wants us all to believe the same. What did He just say in the message to Priscilla Van Sutphin, a Protestant messenger? Drives me crazy, ignoring their own prophets.

Not our prophets. Find someone else to foist them off on. Any true believer knows better than to swallow all that drivel without first comparing it to Scripture and are well versed enough in Scripture to recognize it as the drivel it is at first glance.

1,426 posted on 06/08/2012 4:13:59 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: CynicalBear; stpio; boatbums
The Bereans were commended for “searching the scriptures daily” to see if what even the apostles taught was true. They could not have done that if they didn’t have the ability to understand what the scripture was saying. Only the RCC tries to keep that from happening.

Nor could they have done it if there hadn't already been a body of writings already recognized as Scripture, which just happened to be well before the RCC canonized it.

1,427 posted on 06/08/2012 4:19:58 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: stpio; xone
The anti-Christ is going to abolish the Eucharist.

Got some Scripture for that?

1,428 posted on 06/08/2012 4:26:04 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: stpio

>>lay” people have the same authority as Peter and the Apostles<<
Yep!

“Acts 15:8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by granting them the Holy Spirit just as he did us. 9 He made no distinction between us and them, for by faith he purified their hearts.”

~ ~ ~

False CB.

Proof, repeated for the umpteenth time, Private Judgment is heresy. And do not give one interpretation and follow up to correct, stating another interpretation. Imagine, as if no one noticed.

God the Holy Spirit does not guide each person reading
Scripture into their own interpretation of Scripture.


1,429 posted on 06/08/2012 4:27:26 PM PDT by stpio
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To: CynicalBear

>>lay” people have the same authority as Peter and the Apostles<<
Yep!

“Acts 15:8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by granting them the Holy Spirit just as he did us. 9 He made no distinction between us and them, for by faith he purified their hearts.”

~ ~ ~

False CB.

Proof, repeated for the umpteenth time, Private Judgment is heresy. And do not give one interpretation and follow up to correct, stating another interpretation. Imagine, as if no one noticed.

God the Holy Spirit does not guide each person reading
Scripture into their own interpretation of Scripture.


1,430 posted on 06/08/2012 4:28:45 PM PDT by stpio
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To: stpio; CynicalBear
God the Holy Spirit does not guide each person reading Scripture into their own interpretation of Scripture.

No, he guides them into HIS interpretation of Scripture.

BTW, if you're going to address someone to reply to them or a comment they made, PING THEM!

1,431 posted on 06/08/2012 4:31:51 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom; stpio
Miracles and signs and wonders ey?

Matthew 16:4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign;

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

1,432 posted on 06/08/2012 4:32:34 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: stpio; metmom
>> God the Holy Spirit does not guide each person reading Scripture into their own interpretation of Scripture.<<

Of course not. Duh! He gives us His interpretation as He wants us to understand.

1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

2 Corinthians 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Now stop disrespecting the “Spirit” we have been given for understanding and interpretation.

1 John 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Don’t continue to let the RCC “seduce” you.

1,433 posted on 06/08/2012 4:42:12 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: stpio
“I don’t know the meaning of your “big” word Vesuvius?”

If that be true, and you're the best one to speak to the why’s and wherefore's thereof,....if that be true, you are banned, BANNED! from using the word “history” again until you produce at least a passable middle school report on the subject of my “”big” word Vesuvius”.

1,434 posted on 06/08/2012 7:16:21 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: stpio
TO GET THE RESPONSE I WANT,

Too obvious?

1,435 posted on 06/08/2012 7:50:15 PM PDT by xone
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To: count-your-change
“”big” word Vesuvius”.

You'd think a Roman Catholic might have seen that word before. Krakatoa's me up.

1,436 posted on 06/08/2012 7:54:30 PM PDT by xone
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To: xone

“Krakatoa’s me up”

Ouch! Not bad...not grade A, but not too shabby either.


1,437 posted on 06/08/2012 8:02:22 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: stpio
Statements worded as questions are rarely "making it personal."

If I said "Are you a heretic?" that would not be making it pesonal.

But if I said "You are a heretic." that would be making it personal.

1,438 posted on 06/08/2012 8:31:39 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: xone; Religion Moderator; All

stpio:
“The anti-Christ is going to abolish the Eucharist.”

~ ~ ~

Someone dear let me know something I failed to say. I include in my sentence above. One word “attempt.”

The anti-Christ is going to attempt to abolish the Eucharist.

It is important to help Protestants realize the Eucharist
is true, sorry for leaving out that word.

The faithful, including Protestants who convert will
be like the first Christians. The faithful will still have
Mass and the Eucharist. Holy Mass, the “continual sacrifice” will be offered in SECRET because of the anti-Christ’s persecution.

metmom asked for the Scripture concerning the anti-Christ’s plan to abolish the Eucharist. It is the “abomination of
desolation” written in Daniel.

Religion Moderator, I’ll leave this thread, I certainly do not want to be banned. Maybe, if it’s okay, I’ll post
any Protestant messages from Heaven that line up with
Catholic prophecy. They all do but something very obvious.


1,439 posted on 06/08/2012 8:41:33 PM PDT by stpio
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To: Religion Moderator

“Statements worded as questions are rarely “making it personal.”

If I said “Are you a heretic?” that would not be making it pesonal.

But if I said “You are a heretic.” that would be making it personal.”

~ ~ ~

I just saw your post, thanks. It’s hard to get use to, insulting others in the kindest way, with a question.

Doesn’t it seem phony as all get out? Fine, the rules.
Our Protestant brothers and sisters have posted a lot of questions.

Does this qualify, it’s not exactly a direct question.

xone:
“You’d think a Roman Catholic might have seen that word before. Krakatoa’s me up.”

People are more loving in the secular threads!


1,440 posted on 06/08/2012 9:05:12 PM PDT by stpio
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