Posted on 05/17/2012 5:40:57 PM PDT by Gamecock
In general terms, exCatholics are very bitter. ExProds have very warm feeling towards their former church.
They’re mainly people who didn’t believe anything anyway, but were just on the Church’s rolls because that’s what their family did, 1, 2, or maybe even 3 generations ago.
And there are still a lot more catholics like that. The real issue that the Church fails to address is this: is Catholicism a faith or a culture?
There are mexican hookers with cross tattoos. There is a whole “culture of catholicism” that has nothing to do with Jesus whatever.
And the Church seems to implicitly accept that because they’re “our people”. And this kind of thinking is what leads them to push for greater immigration from the south, whether legal or illegal.
This is an immoral policy. And those who want a Holy Church should shout and scream at their Church representatives until they get back on a Holy path, instead of a political one.
“In general terms, exCatholics are very bitter.”
I agree, and understand why. Regardless of what the “study” says, 100% of the ex-Catholics I know left the Church to get married again after a divorce (in which they or the spouse wouldn’t qualify for marriage within the Church). They are bitter because they know in their heart of hearts that they are “playing church” when they go to a Protestant denomination to “play family”. Also, 80% of them never attend any church again after the faux-wedding.
I stand corrected; 2% of the ex-Catholics I know are former priests who wanted to get married (and did). Only 98% wanted re-marriage after divorce.
The very conservative Reformed church that i attend is filled with former Catholics... can’t think of any where divorce was the reason.
Be warned, however, that this thread will go toxic fast.
Whenever it is discussed here at FR, the Catholic defenders would rather burn the place to the ground rather than permit and allow ex-Catholics who now profess a personal faith in Jesus as Christians "get away with it."
It will always be something. There must be a list somewhere:
- you were never a Catholic
- the Catholics never did this but always did that, you just were too dumb to notice
- you don't "sound or behave like a Christian to me!"
- all the people who profess to be Protesants now are jerks
- Etc
- Etc
- Etc
“Thus, both as believers and as worshipers, Catholics who become Protestants are statistically better Christians than those who stay Catholic. We are losing the best, not the worst.”
I agree 110%
As for the Kennedy Catholics of mid 20th century and thereafter in the USA, good riddance.
Count me in on that.
In general terms, exCatholics are very bitter.
I have not encountered that and I know PLENTY ex-Catholics. Most of them have an attitude like that of bb, as she just commented on another thread.
In all honesty, gc, it sounds like an RC hijacked your screen name.
.... ducking.....
It's called apostacy, and it's been foretold.
You are correct.
Polled each and every one of them, did you?
For the record, I don’t believe it because almost every Protestant/Evangelical/Pentecostal church is packed with former Catholics and of all the ones I’ve talked to about leaving, not one of them gave wanting a divorce as a reason.
Why should they? They can just get an annulment (aka. Catholic divorce) if they don’t like their marriage and stay in the Catholic church.
Might broad brush there. My wife is a recovering Catholic, was never married, and she is not only NOT bitter, but one of the most loving people I know. She is our Church Secretary and is very active in the ladies ministry.
I think many join evangelical churches to have their sin forgiven while many join liberal mainline churches to have their sin excused.
The Apostacy happened when the Priests and Popes substituted the traditions of man for the word of God.
I left the Catholic church years before I got married. The Catholic church's stance on divorce, remarriage, birth control, etc, had NOTHING whatsoever to do with it. It was because of theology, plain and simple.
I found that Catholic teaching did not line up with the clear teaching of Scripture in way too many areas.
I have to completely disagree with you. I have a LOT of friends who are former Catholics, and they did not leave because of marriage. Almost all of them say that they started reading their Bibles and realized that the Catholic church did not adhere to its teachings.
I believe that in Mexico particularly, the Catholic church is losing a lot of members.
I am not Catholic, but do respect the Catholic church and its faith, if that’s where its members find Christ. But I know on this board the fruit of the Spirit is seldom ever in the responses from the Catholics, and it’s very sad. Often, sarcasm and put downs are the modus operendi.
You can only fix a problem if you dare see it for what it really is.
Because of Christ and Him alone!
There is death in the churches that are overcome with power struggles and unbelief. The churches leftists took over will die out for a lack of spirit in their rejection of God like the Europeans. They will make future atheists.
The Catholics are hurt by the leftists and pagan female goddess Mary worshipers in all their organizations constantly making an fool out of that which is holy, loving and good in the church - JESUS. Sometimes I think the Catholic church is doomed unless it starts over from scratch with true believers in the Spirit and truth of Christ and lets the nonbelievers to go their way and leave the church. The spirit of darkness is so entrenched within the organizations and they tell the young people there is no truth nor saving grace in Jesus which is very dispiriting.
Evangelicals are up the creek if they don't turn away from the worship of materialism. Sugar Daddy god has run it's course. The Gospel of Jesus is much more than abundance in material.
“First, those who are leaving the church for Protestant churches are more interested in spiritual nourishment than doctrinal issues.”
Quite so. Spiritual hunger, a desire to be taught and fed from the Scriptures, is basically the reason ex-Catholics have told me they are no longer Catholics.
Doctrinal teachings do matter but that comes later and these ex-Catholics have said they would not return for those reasons.
They’re mainly people who didn’t believe anything anyway, but were just on the Church’s rolls because that’s what their family did, 1, 2, or maybe even 3 generations ago.
My wife is ex-catholic. What caused her to leave was her growing understanding of the bible and what it teaches.
The ones who split to evangelical churches have many reasons.
Exactly. In the world stats are important. In Christianity, every single person is a unique entity. Attacking the situation by lumping people into statistical groups is the way of the world, not Christianity. Each person leaving, or coming to the church has their own personal and very nuanced reasons.
the invisible hand
Stay out of this thread, it is a repeat thread of an article by the Jesuit Reese from over 1 year ago. Most Catholics who leave the Church [half go to agnosticism or atheistism] of those that to various forms of protestantism and to various ecclesial communities, it varies many go to mainline liberal protestantism, some to pentecostal types and some of fundammentalism, some to various evangelical stripes and as other studies have shown, you will find most of those Catholics who go to Protestantism will not make 1 change, it will be repeated several times throughout their lives which in a sense is suggest that many of these Catholics go to the ecclesial community of what is happening now.
I don’t most much here any more and will not get involved in these thread as it has many of the “usual suspects”.
THANKS FOR THE PING.
Will send you an email if I can find your current one.
LUB
That is absurd. As in MA, most RCs are liberal, which every study i have seen confirms, and i have seen a lot: http://www.peacebyjesus.com/RC-Stats_vs._Evang.html, and it is the evangelicals that they fear the most.
You mean, like Raymond Brown?
That Catholics are leaving to join evangelical churches because of the church teaching on the Bible is a disgrace.
What the Catholic Church has taught about the Bible for the past century is a disgrace.
Too few homilists explain the scriptures to their people. Few Catholics read the Bible.
Oh my goodness. Catholics are becoming Protestants and the stupid author (and many like him) think the problem will be solved by spending more time telling Catholics that the Bible is a fairy tale.
This is Cloud Cuckooland.
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See actual stats from many known sources: here. The reality is that Roman Catholic churches covet evangelical converts in order enliven there overall dead pewsl My old priests used to exhorts us, “sing like Protestants.” |
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While Islam is the fastest growing, and Nones more so than Christians: http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/RevealingStatistics.html#Sec2
If by the “church” means the building and the priest, then Catholics are probably not broadly well fed, when they attend only weekly on Sundays. If they were poorly catechized growing up then yes, they are probably found spiritually wanting today.
Sundays in the evangelical churches are rousing, spiritually experiential, with soaring senses, so a poorly fed Catholic ex is comforted there in his own relationship with his God.
On the other hand, for all her flaws and spiritless priests giving boring homilies, there she is, still standing. Christ’s Church. He is there within her, in His tabernacle to be consumed, transferred from the hands of the hands, of the hands of the Apostles themselves to my lips. Beating that? Just impossible, IMHO.
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In other words, they want a church service that entertains them, because they go to church to be entertained, because, really, you know, it's all about them, and if it's not fun, they aren't interested.
As someone said above, it's called "apostasy," and it was prophesied long ago.
That sure is a way to ignore the truth, nobody believes that, most of these people are looking for a deeper more Christian involvement, with more conservative parishioners and preachers, and preaching.
I thought we always had to have a live source for a post/story. It appears you don’t have one. Hmmm
I’ve been told the mods like to check on the validy of a thread that way.
Perhaps I’m wrong, but I don’t think so.
You could air that out and fertilize the garden with it. Most of these people either want to contracept, abort their children, divorce and remarry, ordain women, or engage in aberrant sexual behavior. These people want God on their terms, not His.
Catholics vote for what you just described, Evangelicals vote against it, it is why some would leave what you described and seek what they believe to be a deeper, more conservative form of worship, and congregation.
I have been meaning to post for years on something like that, it goes beyond the service, you brought up a very good point that can be much elaborated on.
I just posted this in another thread and is appropriate
here. It doesn’t matter the exodus now...
God knows what is going to happen. It’s been awhile, in my reading them, for fourteen years the Catholic messages from Heaven and the Protestant point to..are in preparation for one thing...the Remnant is Roman Catholic. The world is close to the Great Tribulation, the end of the 6th Day.
My advise, pray, repent from the heart and confess your
mortal sins. Believe in the Holy Eucharist and any misunderstandings about the faith will fall away.
God has always desired everyone believe the same. He is
going to help (free will is a gift) make it happen with
the “Warning.”
I put one word in CAPS.
~ ~ ~
God Speaks Will You Listen
11/06/07
...Hence lukewarm Catholics will persecute my faithful Catholics. After the warning, there will only be one church. All Protestant denominations will have no reason to exist. For all Protestants will see the truth in my Catholic Church. Those Protestants who in their pride reject my truth, will become apostate and persecute my true Catholics. Many Protestants will enter my church because of the warning. The ungodly will persecute my faithful remnant because the ungodly rejected my mercy. A fierce persecution will rage like a fire in certain parts of your world. Europe, North America, and Latin America will persecute my faithful severely. My son, the largest number of converts will come from the pagan religions. Many Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and tribal peoples will accept my mercy and truth because of the warning. My church will experience a large amount of growth in those areas. I will need my faithful to teach these converts. Many miracles will take place at this time. Bilocation and other miracles assisted by my angels will occur. My faithful may be teaching in different areas of the world. After the warning, there will only be a short time given to mankind to repent. If no repentance is done, I will allow Satan and the antichrist to chastise a sinful generation. At this time, many faithful will be: called home, persecuted, martyred, and taken to my refuges. Only those who are not spiritual babies with my divine life residing in their souls will endure those days and enter my era of peace. My son, at baptism all my children receive sanctifying grace, but many do not
progress beyond spiritual infancy. I will not lose any the Father has given to me. My spiritual babies will come home to be with me to prevent the loss of their souls. A soul who does not partake of my Eucharist REMAINS a spiritual baby. Just as a human baby must eat solid food to grow to adulthood, so spiritually you must receive my graces through the sacraments to mature to spiritual adulthood. The body must be fed to grow. Likewise, the soul must be fed to grow and mature. Satan knows this truth. This is why he has deceived many of my people with false interpretations of my scriptures. Many teach the physical nation of Israel is the fulfillment of my scripture. Many teach the antichrist will resume the Jewish sacrifice in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem to constitute the abomination of desolation. This is a false teaching, not from God, but from human understanding. My son, in the book of Daniel, the persecution by the Jews under Antiochus can be considered a partial fulfillment of the abomination of desolation. But the complete fulfillment has not yet taken place. At my death, the veil in the temple was rent in two and the old sacrificial covenant was replaced by my new covenant. My sacrifice on the cross was the final sacrifice for my peoples’ sin. I am the fulfillment of the promise to Abraham. I am the seed of Abraham, the son of David, in whom all the nations of the earth are blessed. My nation of Israel is my church, not the modern nation of Israel. My people are now all those who become part of my church through sanctifying grace. The complete fulfillment of the prophecy from Daniel of the abomination of desolation will occur: when the continual sacrifice of the mass is abolished by the false prophet and the anti christ. Acceptance of the protestant doctrine of the mass by an anti pope will be the fulfillment of the prophecy. The temple of God is my Holy Roman Catholic Church. My faithful remnant will be persecuted worldwide...
http://wwwgodspeakswillyoulisten.org/
The people who leave the Catholic Church are badly catechized. If they knew the faith, they would not leave.
The Church is going to experience her crucifixion but after,
in the new time, the Millennium, everyone will believe in
Our Lord’s presence in the Eucharist.
You are absolutely welcome to have all the regular National Catholic Fishwrap (a/k/a NCR) readers that you’d like. If you can do something with them, all the better to you.
I have never met a “former Catholic” who attributed their loss of faith to theology or unfulfillment (though some Catholics complain about both); every “former Catholic” I know (who actually attends services anywhere else, as opposed to just becoming a non-Mass attending Catholic) did it over personal involvement with the divorce/remarriage question.
Here in NJ our former governor did it after leaving his Catholic wife & child; he went to an Episcopal seminary and moved in with his boyfriend.
Now you have.
Wow. In a time when all of Christianity is under attack from our own government, athiests, gays, Muslims, etc. here we are arguing over who has the greater numbers or who’s losing the greater numbers. We’re right, you’re wrong. Pride. Last time I checked, that was a sin.
We should be above this, FRiends.
I’ve seen them on TV, too; cyber-people are whatever they want to be.
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