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To: Cronos

“Jesus Christ is infallible, the written word that is scripture is inerrant.”

Same difference.

‘the Pope as a person is Fallible,’

Indeed, we are all sinnners. (Rom. 3:23)

“, but only on occasion (twice in the past 200 years) has God’s spirit directed or even controlled the person sitting in Peter’s chair to state something that the Spirit deems infallible.”

Hebrews 1:1 (”God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;”)

1 Cor. 13:8-13 (”Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.”)

As you see from these verses, I don’t agree with your premise.


63 posted on 05/19/2012 7:01:28 AM PDT by swampfox101
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To: swampfox101
Cronos: “Jesus Christ is infallible, the written word that is scripture is inerrant.”

Swamp: Same difference.

Wrong. Jesus is not a colleciton of books. We Christians worship Jesus, the true Word of God, we Christians don't worship a collection of books.

Scripture is inerrant as in it does not contain error, it is not "infallible" no more than it (or any other inanimate object) is fallible. Fallibility is of an animate object, in the ability to arrive at decisions.

The Bible is inerrant.

64 posted on 05/19/2012 8:37:57 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: swampfox101
of course, all men are fallible, that is why sola scripture leads to Jehovah's witnesses, Unitarians, Mormons, gay justification (like Obama).

Jesus gave us a community, the Church to prevent this, that is why the Church remains true, 2000 years later, due to the work of Christ and the grace of the Holy Spirit and all the various errors have died out (the latest being the bunch of gay-led implosions we see)

65 posted on 05/19/2012 8:46:59 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: swampfox101
of course, all men are fallible, that is why sola scripture leads to Jehovah's witnesses, Unitarians, Mormons, gay justification (like Obama).

Jesus gave us a community, the Church to prevent this, that is why the Church remains true, 2000 years later, due to the work of Christ and the grace of the Holy Spirit and all the various errors have died out (the latest being the bunch of gay-led implosions we see)

Now those armchair errors also lead to people quoting scripture out of context and out of place -- as Obama did and as your post does

Christ gave us the Church, the community, through which the collection of books called the Bible, under the grace of God was collected.

the Love of God is what has guided the Church through the centuries. The Love of God, and His grace is what provides the infallibility on occasion (twice in the past 200 years) has God’s spirit directed or even controlled the person sitting in Peter’s chair to state something that the Spirit deems infallible.

If you read the Bible, you should also believe in the True Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, just as Lutherans, Catholics, Orthodox, Orientals and Assyrians believe, indeed the overwhelming majority of Christians for 2000 years and today. do you trust Christ? do you believe His words? Then do you believe in the True presence in the Eucharist? If one does not, then one does not believe in Christ's words...

66 posted on 05/19/2012 8:51:44 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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