[tedw]

I am not beating up on them. I spent decades of involvement with 12 step programs.

I am just telling my story and my experience.

Really, what I found is the spiritual awakening that is talked about in the 12 steps, but that so few people in AA and NA ever really find.

[don-o]

One thing I did not have to learn from 1the 12 steps is

Beware of Gurus.

That I learned through hard life experience. And I can smell them a mile away.

Fare thee well.

[GSWarrior]

I agree with an earlier poster who said that addiction may not be a spiritual disease but many people find a spiritual solution.

I have come to realize that addictions are a symptom of something else, usually childhood abuse or neglect from the mild to the severe.