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Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 5/13/12 | Msgr Charles Pope

[Venturer]

The Editorial does nothing but say they are dissappointed.

It doesn’t MEAN anything. It’s the Same Old same Old.

Put some teeth into it. Stop calling it a catholic University, it is obvious that it isn’t. Let the Bishops come out with a pronouncement saying that Georgetown will no longer be recognised as a Catholic University.Remove the Priests from there and send them somewhere that they will be useful.

[jtal]

Actions speak louder than words, Cardinal Archbishop.

As the authorative ordinary, will you formally direct Georgetown to dis-invite Sebelius, or stop with this “strongly worded letter” expressing your “disappointment”.

Cardinal Archbishop, you may not have noticed, but we are at War. There are souls at stake. Now is not the time for letters of “disappointment”, but strong action.

Will you take it?

[markomalley]

about time ping

[PGR88]

I know Georgetown quite well, and I am certain their administration and most of their faculty don’t really care. They have long ago traded a “Catholic Identity” for the identity of being the a premier, elitist, modern university in the capital of the Empire. The temptation was really too strong.

[markomalley]

The significance of this is that this is, as long as I can remember, the first time ANYTHING negative has publicly been said about Georgetown by the Archdiocese. That is, in of itself, profound.

Yes, I would like to see them take a bolder first step. But a first step has been taken. And that is a lot more than I have seen.

[Salvation]

Catholic Education part of New Evangeliztion

[ConorMacNessa]

With charity, I am almost beyond being appalled at the state of the so-called "Catholic" university, particularly those run by Jesuits. My late father, my daughter and I are all products of Jesuit universities. My late father graduated from St. Joseph's in 1950 and was awarded his Ph.D from Georgetown in 1963. My daughter graduated from St. Joseph's last year. I graduated from Loyola Maryland in 1975.

I had occasion to communicate with the then-President of St. Joe's in 2010 over their selection of Chris Matthews as Commencement Speaker. I'm signed onto the online petition against Sibelius.

In recent weeks, I've been cruising the websites of those three universities and I am most disturbed with what I find. Political Correctness trumps Church teaching at all three schools. They all sponsor support groups for LGBT students. They all offer "Women's Studies" in some form.

It is my opinion that they have all abandoned Christianity and should all be decertified as Catholic institutions.

They will no longer get my support and will no longer get my money for so long as they continue to flout the Church's teachings. I understand Msgr. Pope's point that this could be a long and complicated process. Let it begin, and let it begin now. My Dad's probably doing triple-twist somersaults in his grave over this. Put simply, this is not you father's Catholic university!



Nos genuflectitur ad non princeps sed Princeps Pacem!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

[Ransomed]

Seems to me the real problem is that Sebelius is supposedly Catholic and living and working in DC diocese, and the editorial don’t mention this. She was told not to take Communion in Kansas until she repents of her pro-abortion views, what about the nation’s capital? Did I miss it or something?

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[markomalley]

She was told not to take Communion in Kansas until she repents of her pro-abortion views, what about the nation’s capital?

Supposedly, Cardinal Wuerl's position is that he will support the position of the person's Ordinary (in the place of domicile). See here.

Unfortunately, such a ban does not specifically include speaking at a non-liturgical event.

[Jeff Chandler]

The significance of this is that this is, as long as I can remember, the first time ANYTHING negative has publicly been said about Georgetown by the Archdiocese. That is, in of itself, profound.

Excellent! At this rate they will be on double secret probation by the time Georgetown starts offing free abortions with enrollment.

[WashingtonSource]

This is a good first step toward eventually declaring Georgetown un-Catholic and not recognized by the church — and a warning across the bow to get into shape or lose any ability to officially claim Catholic identity.

[Cicero]

Regretably, the Jesuit order is sick, and probably dying. There are still some fine Jesuits, but they are the exception.

All of the Jesuit universities have been compromised, but Georgetown is undoubtedly the worst.

Just think back to the honors they showered on Bill Clinton after he got into the White House. They boasted that he was their most distinguished graduate, ever.

Georgetown is also EXTREMELY expensive. I’m not sure if it still has the highest tuition rates in the country, but it has in the recent past. They have been very successful selling themselves as a top college, rather than a religious college, so they are unlikely to return to their roots.

[RitaOK]

No profile in courage here. Certainly no profile.

I am embarrassed for the Church in America. Is there a Bishop anywhere in North America who would even bother to throw the money changers from the temple?

When they are not avoiding their obligation to define sin and evil entirely, the poor souls content themselves with mingling in the presence of glaring examples of sin and apostasy, choosing to boldly “strut and fret their hour upon the stage and then are heard no more”, endlessly observing, diagnosing, and declaring. Never but a peep of consequence or penance in sight for anyone.

I’m sorry, but it’s as if a large number of the American Bishops are quite satisfied to be “neither hot nor cold” for the faith, and would be actually prefer that the People of God would just quiet down and be the same.

The term in Sacred Scripture describes those who are
“neither hot nor cold”, that they shall be spewed forth from the mouth of God. This means to projectile vomit.

Lord have Mercy.

[Salvation]

**They will no longer get my support**

A lot of people stopped their alumni payments at Notre Dame. An article finally appeared about it, but unfortunately Father Jenkins did not change his tune in allowing Obama to speak there.

[xkaydet65]

In 1966 Fordham Univ was one of 5 NY schools to be awarded a state grant to attract a major educator. Fordham used its award to employ Marshal McLuhan. Before he could take up residence, the stat AG, Louis Lefkowitz, ruled that as a Catholic school Fordham could not receive the state’s money. The school used its own dollars to keep McCluhan, but began the process to transform itself into a secular school. It established a new Board of Trustees with a lay majority. It changed some curriculum and made relgious services much less a part of the student life. Georgetown and BC soon followed Fordham’s direction. Other Catholic schools like St. Johns and St Francis maintained their Catholic identity. 46 years later it is not surprising that G’town is where it is. Without govt awards and grants it would never have become the school it is now. But given the cost in principles, one may wonder if they should have listened to Ignatius’s caution to Francis.”Francis, what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, but suffer the loss of his soul.”

[RitaOK]

I am sorry. This must be especially painful as a Catholic university graduate, and you have my sympathy.

Seems ND and GEORGETOWN are begging, on bended knee, to be cut loose from the “shackles” of the Church they despise, but apparently the arduous and long process of cutting them loose is just too much for the good Bishops.

What with all the possible financial fallout from doing so, they will drag their feet until warm places freeze over. Rather, it is they who will have to be drug kicking and screaming with their fingers tightly pressed into the door facing.

Lord have Mercy.

[Steelfish]

Cardinal Wuerl needs to be reported to the Vatican. This guy tries to play safe with the Washington establishment and is an utter disgrace. He is the root reason for the spineless statements that keep getting issued.

[PzLdr]

How about the Catholic Archbishop excommunicates Sebellius, good buddy of Tiller the Baby Killer, because she’s so far past Catholic dogma, they couldn’t find her with a Saturn 5 booster.