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To: Norm Lenhart

Come on back. You know, priests and bishops are sinners like the rest of us, sadly, and we know God chooses the weakest for His work - soundls like many of the priests and bishops right? But some of those weakes have insights and Traditions that will blow you away.

You may be smart, incredibly smart - but what did the earliest Christians and their earliest detracttors say about the Eucharist....about Mary,....You can’t get that from the bible, you get that from the teachings of the Church. Check it out.

The bible is recorded oral history - without eror. But what of the other recorded history of the time? Not divinely inspried certainly, but could have a lot of additional value just like other great men’s thinking (greeks, etec). The male and female “Doctors of the Church” are of course not in the bible, but great men saw the obvious brilliance in what these bible readers pulled and lived from the bible and Tradition and hold them in high esteem - check THEM out.

Come one home - let the jerks in the family not get you so down - Dad is still Dad!


30 posted on 04/25/2012 12:01:03 AM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It

I’d love to. But here’s my problem. Dad’s kids are running roughshod over the family and basically told him to pound salt.

Kidding aside, When I look at the positions the RCC has taken publicly, or most importantly, the positions they have not taken, I just don’t want to be associated with them until they put their doctrine before their political/financial expedience.

Sure, we are all sinners. From Pope to pauper. But the church hierarchy has a biblical obligation to stand up and be counted. Instead, they pay lip service to politicians. Only recently and in a most minimal way, have they stood up to the assault on Christianity by Obama and other anti christian tyrants, be they presidents or the media types.

There is no excuse for their actions regarding abortion, nor the wholesale attack on the faithful by Islam, the media, Hollywood et all. Where are the warrior Popes? Where are the clergy who used to stand up for their faith? Instead, for decades we have a bunch of men waiting for someone’s permission before speaking the mildest of truths in fear that they will cause grave offense to anyone.
IMO, it’s BS. The Pope, Cardinals, Bishops and Priests all have a duty to either follow their calling or step down. They are leading nothing.

When a president can pull Obama’s crap and not get an immediate reply from the Vatican telling him “No Barack, we are not going to bend over and abandon everything we belive because you said so”...when there are churches offering space to muslims to hold their ‘services’...when there is no direction full scale response at the voting booth, nor excommunication of politicians, hell even a denunciation thereof, that back abortion, homosexuality et all, then there is one serious problem.

The lapsed among us might just come back, should they ever do that. But until then, I have no desire to ‘learn’ from men that apparently do not have enough faith in God to even try following his word.

All that said, don’t take this as a slam to you personally. Nor should any Catholic. Faithful Catholics aren’t the problem. They never were. But until they hold their clergy to account, well, I think the results are obvious.


31 posted on 04/25/2012 1:13:49 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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