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To: CynicalBear
"I can assure you that in every true believers life there is that “experience” of a changed heart."

The heart experiences many things on the emotional side and you will never convince me the believers do not have apposing feelings or aversions toward the will of God. Does that make them not born again?

21 posted on 04/16/2012 6:03:58 AM PDT by GonzoII (Quia tu es, Deus, fortitudo mea...Quare tristis es anima mea?)
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To: GonzoII
...you will never convince me the believers do not have apposing feelings or aversions toward the will of God.

Of course not. We all have feeling that oppose the will of God. That doesn't make us any less saved or emotionally invested, nor does it make the positive experience at baptism any less valid.

Does that make them not born again?

I think we can agree that Paul was born again.

Read Romans 7--the entire chapter. I think that will answer your question.

25 posted on 04/16/2012 6:12:45 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: GonzoII
I think I won’t convince you of a lot of things. It’s the responsibility of the Holy Spirit to do the convincing.

>> apposing feelings or aversions toward the will of God<<

No one ever said there won’t be opposing emotions or “feelings”. We still live in this carnal body.

Romans 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

45 posted on 04/16/2012 7:52:45 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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