Count how many times “woman” is written in Revelation 12. I believe it is eight times.
“That is irrelevant; who is refers to is the issue, and your argument was that the Lord’s repeated calling Mary “woman” in the Gospel meant that the women in Rv 12 is, but the fact which i showed was that the Lord called other females “woman as well (and only called Mary that twice in the gospels as i recall). Here, in case you do not believe me.”
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The term “woman” is not relavent, what, it’s the whole point!! You have translations that changed the wording from the original. Instead of reference to the “woman” saying she, they bring in two terms, “He” or can you imagine “It.”
The “woman”, is reference to a female and is written eight times in Revelation Chapter 12. This is ridiculous to have to repeat. The masculine or “it” are not there.
Our Lord’s words aren’t my argument, they’re fact. I don’t care if he called other women “woman”, Jesus addressed His mother twice as “woman” at Cana and in His dying words from the Cross. No where in Scripture does a son call His mother “woman.” Our Lord must have a reason for doing this, try to figure it out.
The term “woman” is not relavent, what, it’s the whole point!!
Please try to follow the argument. I did not say “woman” was not relevant, else i would not have provided how it is used, but i was referring to the weight you place upon how often it is used in Rv. 12, which is irrelevant, that is not determinative of who is represents.
The “woman”, is reference to a female and is written eight times in Revelation Chapter 12. This is ridiculous to have to repeat. The masculine or “it” are not there.
Of course the reference is to a female, for as pointed out, Israel was referred to as female, (Is. 54:1-6; Jer. 3:20; Ezek.16:8-14; Hosea 2:19-20) And the church is also referred to as female, and both fit the descriptions more than Mary, of whom nothing is said about her being crowned (the giving of which to the saints does not occur will the Lord's return: 2Tim. 4:8; Rv. 11:8)
For again, in Joseph’s dream, (Gn 37:9-11) “the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.” The sun represented Jacob (Israel) and the moon Rachel, of which Jacob said, “Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?” The 12 stars on the woman’s head represents the 12 patriarchs, “and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.” (Rm. 9:5) And which was and will be persecuted, but God keeps her through it. This view is more fully articulated here: http://www.eternal-productions.org/PDFS/Revelation12Woman.pdf
Thus while you attack us as being biased, regardless of the evidence we bring forth, and assert that we need to submit to the teaching of Rome, yet you are so committed to your view that you cannot objectively allow any other, even though your own church that you promote does not infallibly define it!