MSNBC’s O’Donnell is a lying sack of you know what. Why would you believe this and not another thing he has to say?
To start with Joesph Smith was 14 and living with his parents when it all started. The 27 number is close, My G. G. G. grandmother was one of them. There where many many more women than men and they sure were not going to run a Singles Club. Something had to be done.
Some of you that have so much time to bash everything Mitt and Mormon, how do you find to save your own souls? Or is that not a problem?
This might come as a surprise to many of you basher’s BUTT on Sunday or any other day we never ever mention other religions other than the Jews in a historical sense only. We work on saving our own souls and not trying to say clever things about people we do not know.
Mitt Romney most likely did not play baseball in the street or hide and seek after dark, BUTT he was born here and grew up in country. That is a giant leap forward for the next four years. Rick Santorum while he pounds his chest about being a Conservative, has all the stage presence of a guy running for town council in a small town.
The object is to throw the BUM out, NOBAMA in 12
I agree. Why are you posting this to me? I think MSDNC, O'Donnell and all this Mormon bashing is disgraceful.
Solely for historical purposes and with no desire to get caught up in the rest of this article, the most consistent number put forth currently by historians is probably 34 'documented' plural wives. LDS Historian Todd Compton, in his award-winning book In Sacred Loneliness: The Plural Wives of Joseph Smith, counts only 33, working from LDS Temple and other original marriage records.
Those who count Smith's plural marriages in the 40's name women by name and cite documentary evidence suggesting plural marriage, but they haven't produced evidence of marriage yet. That doesn't mean Smith was married to those additional women, but it doesn't mean he wasn't. Nobody had turned up credible evidence that Smith had been married to Fanny Alger until Compton produced some evidence to that effect when writing In Sacred Loneliness, although LDS and non-LDS historians had searched for any evidence of such a marriage for decades and decades.
Incidentally, there were not many more women than men. That rationale for polygamy in Nauvoo, in Utah, or elsewhere has been disproven - by LDS historians, census records, and other sources.
Can you source that? Or is that just what you've been told?
If you think there is any way you can save your own soul, YOU are the one with the big, big problem. Hint: there isn't enough time in the universe.
“There where many many more women than men and they sure were not going to run a Singles Club. Something had to be done.”
Do you have some information on it that I could look at?
thanks
Dewey, while there was a shortage of men in parts of the 19th century U.S. due to the Civil War, that was NOT the issue for Utah Territory in the 1860s and beyond because of the reality of lots of Mormon converts coming to the U.S. from Europe.
I think a lot of contemporary Mormons plus their allies assume that there was some glut of widowed women and that therefore, men just had to “step up” and “marry” them as a “plural wife.”
According to the Changing World of Mormonism, pp. 224-225: [LDS} "Apostle” John A. Widtsoe, who was born during the polygamy years (early 1870s) stated:
’We do not understand why the Lord commanded the practice of plural marriage.’ (Evidences and Reconciliations, 1960, p.393). One of the most popular explanations is that the church practiced polygamy because there was a surplus of women. The truth is, however, that there were less women than men. Apostle Widtsoe admitted that there was no surplus of women”: 'The implied assumption in this theory, that there have been more female than male members in the Church, is not supported by existing evidence. On the contrary, there seems always to have been more males than females in the Church.’.. The United States census records from 1850 to 1940, and all available Church records, uniformly show a preponderance of males in Utah, and in the Church. Indeed, the excess in Utah has usually been larger than for the whole United States, ... there was no surplus of women'” (Widtsoe, Evidences and Reconciliations, 1960, pp.390-92," as cited in Changing World, pp. 224-225).
You don't claim to have greater authority than a past Lds "apostle" on this subject, do you???
So...why don't you just be consistent in your badly-done social revisionism by going to both the US Census Records, Lds church records, and books written by Lds “apostles” and alter them...just so that you can be right in your half-brain-cocked theories you're trying to superimpose upon 19th century Utah!