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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Don’t forget to quote your sources...
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/proving-inspiration

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“while the doctrine of “the Bible ALONE” is man-made, incoherent and false.”

The teaching that the Bible contains in it all that a person need to find salvation and live a life pleasing to God is EXACTLY what St. Paul taught the early Christians.

You are free to choose not to believe St. Paul if you wish.


10 posted on 02/03/2012 7:25:23 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus

-—The teaching that the Bible contains in it all that a person need to find salvation and live a life pleasing to God is EXACTLY what St. Paul taught the early Christians.-—

Was St. Paul speaking of the entire NT, including the books that had not yet been written?

—You are free to choose not to believe St. Paul if you wish.——

More fundamentally, How do you know that these are the words of St. Paul, if the Church that wrote, preserved and canonized these Scriptures is fallible?

Am i free to reject your fallible interpretation of St. Paul?

16All Scripture is God-breathed...

Yes, but this begs the question of What constitutes Scripture? Catholics offer a coherent answer: The Church that Christ founded tells us.

...and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

“Is useful for” does not mean “all that is necessary for.”

17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Who is “the man of God”? Some believe that this is a reference to priests. Is it possible to be thoroughly equipped, but not sufficiently equipped to do a good work? For example, a soldier may be thoroughly equipped for combat, yet still lack the will to fight.

Are good works alone sufficient for salvation?

Because this passage does not refer to faith, which is also necessary for salvation, this passage does not prove that scripture alone can supply us with everything that is necessary for salvation.

Finally, this passage again begs the question, What constitutes Scripture? The answer to this question requires an extra-biblical authority.

http://www.catholicsource.net/articles/ssmadrid.htm

OTOH, I am puzzled by the fact that Protestants ignore the following words of Jesus: “If he refuses to listen to the Church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector.”

Additionally, the Church is referred to in Scripture as the, “the pillar and foundation of truth.”


18 posted on 02/03/2012 8:30:19 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: PetroniusMaximus

-—The teaching that the Bible contains in it all that a person need to find salvation and live a life pleasing to God is EXACTLY what St. Paul taught the early Christians.-—

Was St. Paul speaking of the entire NT, including the books that had not yet been written?

—You are free to choose not to believe St. Paul if you wish.——

More fundamentally, How do you know that these are the words of St. Paul, if the Church that wrote, preserved and canonized these Scriptures is fallible?

Am i free to reject your fallible interpretation of St. Paul?

16All Scripture is God-breathed...

Yes, but this begs the question of What constitutes Scripture? Catholics offer a coherent answer: The Church that Christ founded tells us.

...and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

“Is useful for” does not mean “all that is necessary for.”

17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Who is “the man of God”? Some believe that this is a reference to priests. Is it possible to be thoroughly equipped, but not sufficiently equipped to do a good work? For example, a soldier may be thoroughly equipped for combat, yet still lack the will to fight.

Are good works alone sufficient for salvation?

Because this passage does not refer to faith, which is also necessary for salvation, this passage does not prove that scripture alone can supply us with everything that is necessary for salvation.

Finally, this passage again begs the question, What constitutes Scripture? The answer to this question requires an extra-biblical authority.

http://www.catholicsource.net/articles/ssmadrid.htm

OTOH, I am puzzled by the fact that Protestants ignore the following words of Jesus: “If he refuses to listen to the Church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector.”

Additionally, the Church is referred to in Scripture as the, “the pillar and foundation of truth.”


21 posted on 02/03/2012 8:37:54 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: PetroniusMaximus; St_Thomas_Aquinas
the Bible contains in it all that a person need to find salvation and live a life pleasing to God

I don't believe this is in scripture. Profitable/useful yes, but not entirely sufficient.

26 posted on 02/03/2012 9:48:41 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
The teaching that the Bible contains in it all that a person need to find salvation and live a life pleasing to God is EXACTLY what St. Paul taught the early Christians.

John also states it. Matter of fact, all that's needed is the gospel of John.

John 20:30-31 30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

40 posted on 02/03/2012 11:46:15 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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