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To: ansel12

yes, the puritans were more strict... that doesn’t matter. the point was they fled religious persecution and helped found a country within which ALL citizens are free to practice / worship how they see fit

free from persecution

which is what this thread is attempting to do

personally, i see these threads on FR as phoney libtards posing as fringe Christian types attacking mormons in an attempt to divide the conservative base. they went into overdrive when Romney was running. looks like they’re ramping up again


39 posted on 07/10/2011 4:59:29 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten

Frankly I see the efforts of the defenders of Mormonism as being anti-Christian and anti-conservative.

The defenders of Mormonism are primarily made up of freerepublic’s atheists, anti-social conservatives, anti-Christians, ex Romneybots, current Romneybots, and anti-conservative bottom feeders of every stripe, in huge numbers.


42 posted on 07/10/2011 5:03:12 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: sten

free from persecution

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Speaking the truth about a cult and countering their unbiblcal teachings is NOT ‘persecution’. Even ridicule is NOT persecution.

Jailing and killing them IS persecution and no one here is advocating that.

We want to see them saved, not dead.


47 posted on 07/10/2011 5:18:49 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: sten
yes, the puritans were more strict... that doesn’t matter. the point was they fled religious persecution and helped found a country within which ALL citizens are free to practice / worship how they see fit

free from persecution

...don't know MUCH about history...


In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.

Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.

More? --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayflower_Compact

130 posted on 07/10/2011 10:06:11 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: sten; ansel12; Elsie; reaganaut
Sten posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 6:59:29 PM by sten: yes, the puritans were more strict... that doesn’t matter. the point was they fled religious persecution and helped found a country within which ALL citizens are free to practice / worship how they see fit free from persecution which is what this thread is attempting to do personally, i see these threads on FR as phoney libtards posing as fringe Christian types attacking mormons in an attempt to divide the conservative base. they went into overdrive when Romney was running. looks like they’re ramping up again.”

I don't want to get into the details of the Mormon fight. I don't have expert knowledge of the subject.

I do know that anyone who thinks that either the Pilgrims of Plymouth or the Puritans of Massachusetts came to New England for freedom of religion has failed to understand some of the most basic principles of the English Separatist and Puritan movements.

I'm well aware that the Founding Fathers wrote a Constitution that was deliberately designed to tolerate not just a variety of Protestant viewpoints but also the Roman Catholics of Maryland and even the Jewish population, which had personal ties with Alexander Hamilton. Both groups included a number of American patriots who were very interested in supporting the American Revolution, and the ardent support of religious minority groups for American independence was a key factor in framing the federal Constitution to preserve their freedoms.

I support the Founding Fathers’ views on religious tolerating, while noting that three states still had formally established tax-supported state churches at that time, one of them into the 1830s.

To read that view of the Constitution back into the Pilgrims and Puritans, however, simply does not agree with the facts.

Those who hold office or serve in the military swear allegience to the Constitution of the United States, not the Mayflower Compact. There are important differences.

154 posted on 07/11/2011 3:30:39 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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