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To: Iscool
I must be missing something because Jesus comes back WITH his church but then his church rises to meet him in the air???

What you are obviously missing is a biblical view of the Church, and the nature of the saints who have fallen asleep vs. those who are alive at His coming.

There saint triumphant and saints militant.

The saints triumphant (in their souls) return with Christ at the Second Coming to be reunited with their bodies that rise from the grave.

The saints militant are changed in the twinkling of an eye and they meet Christ body and soul in the air. All these transformed/resurrected saints accompany Christ to the earth in triumph where He judges the sheep and goats.

All this proves is that those who don't want to believe in the Rapture will say just about anything, no matter how ridiculous to justify their disbelief...

You just need to read the Bible to get the complete picture. There is a ”rapture” in the Bible, just not the false view of the rapture invented by the JN Darby and perpetuated by the dispensationalists. It’s called the Second Coming.

25 posted on 05/25/2011 8:31:36 AM PDT by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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To: topcat54
You just need to read the Bible to get the complete picture. There is a ”rapture” in the Bible, just not the false view of the rapture invented by the JN Darby and perpetuated by the dispensationalists. It’s called the Second Coming.

Nope...When Jesus shows up at the 2nd coming, He's staying...For a thousand years...Nobody's going up at that time...

28 posted on 05/25/2011 8:57:55 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: topcat54
There saint triumphant and saints militant.

The saints triumphant (in their souls) return with Christ at the Second Coming to be reunited with their bodies that rise from the grave.

There's going to be a wedding in heaven...The Groom will be there...And the soon to be Bride will be there...

The Groom Jesus will be in his Glorified Body...Jesus is not going to marry the souls of his Bride while their bodies are still unglorified and in the ground...

And as you ignore the rest of it: We who are still ALIVE and remain will go up as well...Bodies and all...

So you are saying the Bride consists of some bodies with souls and some souls without bodies...That leaves Jesus coming back at the 2nd Coming with most of his troops invisible because they have no bodies...

No matter how hard you try, you just can't justify your Preterist views whithout ignoring or destroying much of the scripture...It don't work...

41 posted on 05/26/2011 5:03:02 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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