Pope includes Hindu verses in prayers on Good Friday

merinews ^ | Apr 14, 2009

[Gamecock]

HINDUS HAVE applauded Pope Benedict for including verse from ancient Hindu scripture Upanishads in the Good Friday Meditations and Prayers led by him at Roman Colosseum.

Acclaimed Hindu statesman Rajan Zed, in a statement in Nevada (USA) today, said that it was a remarkable gesture from Pope and invited him to study more ancient Hindu scriptures, which were very rich in philosophical thought. He or other Hindu scholars would gladly provide the help and resources in this regard, if asked, Zed added.

Zed, who is president of Universal Society of Hinduism, also commended His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI for inclusion of a verse from India’s Nobel Laureate Rabindranath Tagore’s Gitanjali and reference to peace icon Mahatma Gandhi in these prayers.

This year’s 'Way of the Cross at the Colesseum' Meditations and Prayers on Good Friday, led by Pope, included well-known verse from Brahadaranyakopanishad (“Lead me from the unreal to the real, from darkness to light, from death to immortality”), line from Tagore’s Gitanjali (“Give me the strength to make my love fruitful in service”) and reference to Mahatma Gandhi.

Rajan Zed stressed that all religions should work together for a just and peaceful world. Dialogue would bring us mutual enrichment, he added.

Pope Benedict heads the Roman Catholic Church, which is the largest of the Christian denominations. Hinduism, oldest and third largest religion of the world, has about one billion adherents and moksha (liberation) is its ultimate goal.

[lastchance]

They have not joined with Rome. Do you just make crap up in order to stir scandal?

[Cronos]

Christ's sacrifice was a one-time event and will never be repeated. In the mass we participate in this one heavenly offering.

Remember revelations

Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne,

Revelations 5:6

This clearly shows that the lamb that was slain is standing at the center of the Throne, standing as though he had been slain (Rev. 5:6).

Jesus is eternally a priest, and a priest’s very nature is to offer sacrifice. In the case of Christ, the eternal sacrifice that he offers is himself. This is why he appears in the book of Revelation as a lamb

For all eternity i.e. outside time He, who is out of time is appealing to the work of the cross, interceding for us (Rom 8:34), and bringing the graces of Calvary to us

The Mass is a participation in this one heavenly offering. The risen Christ becomes present on the altar and offers himself to God as a living sacrifice. Like the Mass, Christ words at the Last Supper are words of sacrifice, "This is my body . . . this is my blood . . . given up for you."

[Cronos]

Christ's sacrifice was a one-time event and will never be repeated. In the mass we participate in this one heavenly offering.

Remember revelations

Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne,

Revelations 5:6

This clearly shows that the lamb that was slain is standing at the center of the Throne, standing as though he had been slain (Rev. 5:6).

Jesus is eternally a priest, and a priest’s very nature is to offer sacrifice. In the case of Christ, the eternal sacrifice that he offers is himself. This is why he appears in the book of Revelation as a lamb

For all eternity i.e. outside time He, who is out of time is appealing to the work of the cross, interceding for us (Rom 8:34), and bringing the graces of Calvary to us

The Mass is a participation in this one heavenly offering. The risen Christ becomes present on the altar and offers himself to God as a living sacrifice. Like the Mass, Christ words at the Last Supper are words of sacrifice, "This is my body . . . this is my blood . . . given up for you."
To simplify it for you

• Sacrifice of the Christ = one time event in our history
• God exists out of time
• Christ, the High Priest offered a sacrifice in time, Himself, God exists out of time, so to God, it appears as the eternal sacrifice on the Cross -- to us, it is a one-time event, which has happened ONCE.
• That is why in Revelation, we see the sacrifice as God sees it -- a lamb, standing as though he had been slain (Rev. 5:6).
• Christ appears in heaven in the state of a victim not because he still needs to suffer but because for all eternity he re-presents himself to God appealing to the work of the cross, interceding for us (Rom 8:34), and bringing the graces of Calvary to us.
• The Mass is a participation in this one heavenly offering.<
• Note -- it is not the re-sacrifice of Christ, but the participation in the one-time sacrifice that has already happened
• Christ's death on the cross was propitiatory and that is why God sees it as in revelation, a lamb standing proudly, giving of his blood, the Eucharist

[Cronos]

To make it clear to you the mass is taking part in what never ends: the offering of Christ to the Father for our sake (Heb 7:25, 9:24).

Christ’s bloody sacrifice on Calvary took place once, and it will never be repeated.Jesus’ offering was perfect, efficacious, and eternal.

Jesus is eternally a priest, and a priest’s very nature is to offer sacrifice.

In the case of Christ, the eternal sacrifice that he offers is himself. This is why he appears in the book of Revelation as a lamb, standing as though he had been slain (Revelations 5:6).

For all eternity i.e. outside time He, who is out of time is appealing to the work of the cross, interceding for us (Rom 8:34), and bringing the graces of Calvary to us.

Now it is clear that The difference between Christ’s death on the cross—the event—and the Eucharist—the sacrament—is the difference between history and liturgy.

The historical event happened once and it will never again be repeated (Heb. 9:25–26). The liturgical sacrament, however, not only keeps the past from being forgotten; through it the Eucharist of history—Jesus’ passion and death—is made present again.

[conservativegramma]

LOL. You just keep blathering don't you? Never once addressing the RCC's tampering with Scripture. Chew on these:

"Now, if ‘everything that entereth into the mouth goes into the belly and is cast out into the drought,’ even the meat which has been sanctified through the word of God and prayer, in accordance with the fact that it is material, goes into the belly and is cast out into the draught, but in respect of the prayer which comes upon it, according to the proportion of the faith, becomes a benefit and is a means of clear vision to the mind which looks to that which is beneficial, and it is not the material of the bread but the word which is said over it which is of advantage to him who eats it not unworthily of the Lord. And these things indeed are said of the typical and symbolical body. But many things might be said about the Word Himself who became flesh, and true meat of which he that eateth shall assuredly live for ever, no worthless person being able to eat it; for if it were possible for one who continues worthless to eat of Him who became flesh, who was the Word and the living bread, it would not have been written, that 'every one who eats of this bread shall live for ever.’” Origen, Commentary on Matthew, On Matthew 11:14

“For so did God in your own gospel even reveal the sense, when He called His body bread; so that, for the time to come, you may understand that He has given to His body the figure of bread, whose body the prophet of old figuratively turned into bread, the Lord Himself designing to give by and by an interpretation of the mystery.” - Tertullian, Against Marcion 3.19

"When He so earnestly expressed His desire to eat the passover, He considered it His own feast; for it would have been unworthy of God to desire to partake of what was not His own. Then, having taken the bread and given it to His disciples, He made it His own body, by saying, “This is my body,” that is, the figure of my body. A figure, however, there could not have been, unless there were first a veritable body…Thus did He now consecrate His blood in wine, who then (by the patriarch) used the figure of wine to describe His blood.” -Tertullian, Against Marcion 4. 40

"“Instead of a bloody sacrifice, He has appointed that reasonable and unbloody mystical one of His body and blood, which is performed to represent the death of the Lord by symbols.” -Apostolical Constitutions, 6.23

Be ye always thankful, as faithful and honest servants; and concerning the eucharistical thanksgiving…Do thou, O Lord Almighty, everlasting God, so gather together Thy Church from the ends of the earth into Thy kingdom, as this corn was once scattered, and is now become one loaf. We also, our Father, thank Thee for the precious blood of Jesus Christ, which was shed for us and for His precious body, whereof we celebrate this representation, as Himself appointed us, “to show forth His death.” For through Him glory is to be given to Thee for ever. Amen.” -Apostolical Constitutions, 7.25

“…who forbids us to think of the morrow; who, though He is said to have hungered and thirsted, and to have gone frequently to various meals, except in celebrating the mystery whereby He represented His passion, or in proving the reality of His body is nowhere described as ministering to His appetite…” -Jerome, Against Jovinanius 2.17

“And in the history of the New Testament by that so great and so wonderful forbearance of our Lord; in that He bore so long with him as if good, when He was not ignorant of his thoughts; in that He admitted him to the Supper in which He committed and delivered to His disciples the figure of His Body and Blood; finally, in that He received the kiss of peace at the very time of His betrayal; it is easily understood how Christ showed peace to.” -Augustine, On the Psalms, Psalm 3:1

“”But Jesus, knowing in Himself that His disciples murmured at it,”-for they so said these things with themselves that they might not be heard by Him: but He who knew them in themselves, hearing within Himself,-answered and said, “This offends you;” because I said, I give you my flesh to eat, and my blood to drink, this forsooth offends you. “Then what if ye shall see the Son of man ascending where He was before?” What is this? Did He hereby solve the question that perplexed them? Did He hereby uncover the source of their offense? He did clearly, if only they understood. For they supposed that He was going to deal out His body to them; but He said that He was to ascend into heaven, of course, whole: “When ye shall see the Son of man ascending where He was before;” certainly then at least, you will see that not in the manner you suppose does He dispense His body; certainly then, at least, you will understand that His grace is not consumed by tooth-biting.” -Augustine, Homilies on the Gospel of John, Tractate XXVII. 3

[caww]

Again....the Pope did not oppose the teachings and practices of Hinduism.....and the Hindus celebrated the fact the Pope was “inclusive” of their faith.

Christians are not Anti-catholic when they oppose false teachings any more than Christ was when He opposed false teachings. We are called to do so.

Further it is not simply a matter of “quoting” text of a Hindu prayer. It's allowing such even to be considered a part of a Christian celebration of Good Friday...and interesting that your own words referred to this as “ THE Meditation”. So your own words reveal you have some understanding that this was more than just reciting a Hindu prayer.

Additionally, the truth will be seen by those who have been given eyes to see. But one is always given the freedom to deny the obvious....and many do when it means they need to reconsider what their leadership is really saying and doing...and in this case it is the Pope giving validity to a pagan religion, it's practices, and the ears of the Hindus heard it just that way....they “celebrated” their inclusiveness.

[conservativegramma]

And finally -- do stop repeating the lie about re-c. The sacrifice of Mass is the same ONE-TIME sacrifice of Calvary that is of all time.

I'm not the one lying. If the wafer and the wine are continually being turned into the literal body and blood of Christ - YOU ARE crucifying him over and over. You have to be void of the Holy Spirit to not see this.

[conservativegramma]

You make Jesus cry with sorrow for breaking the commandment on false witness.

The false witness isn't coming from me - its coming from the Vatican.

[conservativegramma]

Your own words from Post #322

: The risen Christ becomes present on the altar and offers himself to God as a living sacrifice.

Spin, deflect, go into damage control, I don't care how much you continue to deceive.

If Christ is PRESENT ON THE ALTAR, every single time you engage in your eucharist - you ARE CRUCIFYING HIM OVER AND OVER!

[caww]

As I wrote before any truths found in other faiths are there so the full Truth will be recognized when it comes among them.

Wrong!....There is no need for false truths to be sought in other religions....rather we find counterfeits masquarading as the truth. The full truth is in Jesus Christ alone...and the embodyment of that truth. He proclaimed...."I" am the way, the Truth "...."no one can come to the Father except by me". All truth is found in Him and the words He has given us. Further..."We are complete in Him"...just as it is written.

[caww]

Good link...

[caww]

Christ becomes present...'ON'... the alter.

A mental picture of this is beyond sacrilegious. Very difficult to imagine people do believe this of our Christ. Forgetting entirely we serve a risen Savior.

[conservativegramma]

Yep, and they are blind to it all. Astounding.

[RinaseaofDs]

I read what he included. I’ve heard nearly identical prayers spoken during my over 40 years of worshipping in Christian churches.

This was a smart, innocuous move by a savvy Pope.

My goodness, he didn’t start preaching the importance of internal locus of control, or eschewing hamburgers.

I’d think India’s billion plus people would be fertile ground for the message of Christianity. Showing the philosophical parallels between Christianity and Hinduism is smart.

This is the same Pope advocating the creation of more Exorcists, and more than acquiescing to a return to the High Mass for congregations that want to do it.

JPII participated in Ethiopian Christian rites that involved dancing around a campfire.

Not sure he’s going the way of Bishop Spong yet.

[caww]

Some would question if it’s willful blindess....for I see so many attempts the Lord does make in revealing their grave errors over the centuries and yet they still refuse to acknowlege the truths which are revealed to them of their practices....and for that the light of the Gospel of Jesus Christ grows darker within their church.

[conservativegramma]

True. I would submit that the light of the Gospel of Christ is not only dimming in the RCC but its on life support.

Think about this very thread. They are stepping all over each other trying to defend the blending of Hinduism within a Catholic mass. Just a hundred years ago the average pew sitting Catholic would have been shocked senseless with Hindu dancers participating in a Mass. Now they try to defend it.

A thousand years ago the average pew sitting Catholic would have never accepted Catechism 841. It would have launched another crusade. Now.......excused, ignored, apologetic spinning.

The darkness is indeed thick.

[Cronos]

Why does your cult reject the words of Christ? Christ said it so clearly. as Martin said "Who ever read in the Scriptures, that my body is the same as the sign of my body? or, that is is the same as it signifies?

What language in the world ever spoke so? It is only then the devil, that imposes upon us by these fanatical men

Why does your group make the devil your master? Reject the false teachings of this cult and come to Christ.

[Cronos]

oh, and you get so much wrong, don't you? your statement is a false one. The version I pasted in the post above is from the PROTESTANT NIV.

This is from the CAtholic D-R:
This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever

And the KJV: This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

Notice the sleight of hand your cult uses when it uses the NIV?

[Cronos]

What rot are you taling about Caww? Do you know anything of the comparison of the "practises" of Hinduism versus Indian culture?

SEcondly, the Pope has reiterated that India is mission territory, yet note that when the Pope says something there is an immediate re-action and what happened was denouncement by the Hindu hard-liners who were in power at that time (do you know the difference between the BJP, RSS, VHp and Bajrang Dall? Have you ever heard of them, much less know what they stand for?) -- and that was persecutions of Christians redoubled.

But he still pointed out the errors.

[Cronos]

do stop repeating the lie about re-c. The sacrifice of Mass is the same ONE-TIME sacrifice of Calvary that is of all time.

The sacrifice is ONE-TIME, completed, done

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is not good -- are you so lacking in grace that you repeatedly deny Christ?