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To: Jvette
I don’t believe I have ever batted at Genesis or the story of creation. I do not claim to know anything other than God created the world and all that is in it, all that is seen and unseen. How He did so is His mystery to reveal as He wishes.

In a sense it is a "mystery" to everyone. However, in another sense He did provide us with a historical account and chronology in Genesis. That you do not believe this is, of course, the typical Catholic position. However, it makes you a hypocrite for believing in other miracles while denying these.

What I do know is that a God great enough to create everything from nothing can, if He chooses make Himself present in the Eucharist. Another mystery that it His to reveal if/when/how He chooses.

While I don't believe in your "transubstantiation" I don't attack it. I attack one thing and one thing only: your church's war on the first eleven chapters of Genesis. It is the height of hypocrisy and social snobbery to reject the facticity of Genesis while accepting other "miracles" just as impossible.

Catholics on FR (and elsewhere) regularly wage open warfare on Genesis as if it were an evil, subversive book that is threatening to derail the entire Catholic religion. I guess they know something I don't.

I was Catholic for six years. And one of the things that drew me toward it was the "real presence." I also believed G-d could do anything. But I could not remain in good conscience in a religion that hypocritically taught the "real presence" while attacking the veracity of Genesis.

71 posted on 01/09/2011 5:18:03 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator ('Ashirah leHaShem ki-ga'oh ga'ah, sus verokhevo ramah vayam!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Do not suppose to tell me what I do or do not believe. I have never made an argument against the creation as told in Genesis. The Catholic Church does not say that I must or must not accept as historical the account of creation in Genesis.

The Church does not reject science either, and what you are trying to link as hypocrisy is actually the Church adhering to her both/and theology. It is not impossible that the creation of the world created a Big Bang, though there is no doubt in the Church that the creator of that band is God.

Genesis says it took six days to create the world. The New Testament tells us that one day is like a thousand years to God and vice versa. Therefore, you are relying on a false understanding of what the Church teaches to paint me personally as a hypocrite. Please do not make it personal.


72 posted on 01/09/2011 5:25:29 PM PST by Jvette
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Funny that as I write these things to you, I am listening to Father Corapi speak about Sacred Scripture. He has just remarked about the Old Testament and in those remarks he has said that some will say that the Old Testament is not true or is no longer important in light of Jesus and the New Testament.

Baloney, he says. The same Jesus that created the universe out of nothing could make fish out of fish. LOL

That is Catholic belief. No hypocrisy there.


75 posted on 01/09/2011 5:44:14 PM PST by Jvette
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To: Zionist Conspirator
"...while attacking the veracity of Genesis."

The Church does not attack the veracity of Genesis. Genesis provides an outline or framework for Creation, but it was never intended to be a science book. Genesis is a theological work that affirms that God created the world and explains the "evolution" of human nature through original sin. It explains out existence in theological terms, but never hints at the existence of the science that fills in the blanks. You see, science and math are nothing more than the language in which God's works are further explained, not a substitute or an alternative for His works.

82 posted on 01/09/2011 6:18:26 PM PST by Natural Law (Grant that we may be one flock and one shepherd!)
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