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To: Zionist Conspirator
"By the way, is “abracadabra” anything like “hocus pocus?”"

From the wikipedia:

"Abracadabra is an incantation used as a magic word in conjuring tricks that historically was believed to have healing powers when inscribed on an amulet. Abracadabra origin is thought to be from the Aramaic language. Abra=אברה which is "to create" and cadabra=כדברא which is "as I say", ultimately when merging the two words abracadabra means in Aramaic is create as I say thus used oftentimes in magic tricks."

47 posted on 01/09/2011 3:30:46 PM PST by Natural Law (Grant that we may be one flock and one shepherd!)
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To: Natural Law
"Abracadabra is an incantation used as a magic word in conjuring tricks that historically was believed to have healing powers when inscribed on an amulet. Abracadabra origin is thought to be from the Aramaic language. Abra=אברה which is "to create" and cadabra=כדברא which is "as I say", ultimately when merging the two words abracadabra means in Aramaic is create as I say thus used oftentimes in magic tricks."

I hear "hocus pocus" accomplishes a neat magic trick as well.

The problem is that everyone (including yourself) subscribes to an "abracadabra" theory of ex-nihilation. The argument is on what followed . . . whether or not the formation of the universe followed natural processes, or if natural processes did not assume their current form until after the formation was complete.

49 posted on 01/09/2011 3:41:22 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator ('Ashirah leHaShem ki-ga'oh ga'ah, sus verokhevo ramah vayam!)
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To: Natural Law; Zionist Conspirator
And "hocus pocus" has been alleged to be a corruption of "hoc est enim corpus meum,..." which is translated as "for this is my body.". During the words of institution, among which those words appear, we believe God to work a change in "substance".

This is not only not a natural change but a change irrelevant to the subject of the natural sciences. Science can deal with a gold annulus but cannot say whether it is merely a ring or a wedding ring. Science can describe sexual intercourse but cannot determine whether it is sacred or profane, virtuous or vicious.

56 posted on 01/09/2011 4:16:04 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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