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To: dragonblustar; Elsie
Heber C. Kimball (First Counselor to Brigham Young) "Christians - those poor, miserable priests Brother Brigham was speaking about - some of them are the biggest whoremasters there are on the earth ..." (Journal of Discourses 5:89). How can he say that with out thinking of Joseph Smith and his hanky panky with married women? What about booty chasing Brigham? Do Mormons not know the history of these men?

Heber c. Kimball himself had 45 wives...complained at one time that the Lds missionaries were getting the best of the lot of single women when they would bring converts back to Utah...and that he wanted the pretty ones saved for the leaders.

And 'twas Kimball that offered up his 14 yo daughter, Helen Mar, as a "sacrificial marriage offering" to Smith's lust for more women.

Kimball was a counselor to Brigham Young...one of the thee highest members in the Lds hierarchy.

14 posted on 11/17/2010 1:25:02 PM PST by Colofornian ("So how do LDS deal with the [Adam-God] phenomenon? WE DON'T; WE SIMPLY SET IT ASIDE" - BYU prof)
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To: Colofornian

How many leaders had the last name Kimball?


15 posted on 11/17/2010 1:27:58 PM PST by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than Hitler!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: dragonblustar
My previous statement: And 'twas Kimball that offered up his 14 yo daughter, Helen Mar, as a "sacrificial marriage offering" to Smith's lust for more women.

I'm sorry...I need to correct my own statement. It should read: And 'twas Kimball that offered up his 14 yo daughter, Helen Mar, as a "sacrificial marriage offering" to Smith's lust when it veered from "simply" more women to children.

(Perhaps Elsie could post some of Helen Mar's writings...she certainly wasn't willing...but was told it would go well for her family in the afterlife if she would capitulate)

16 posted on 11/17/2010 1:30:05 PM PST by Colofornian ("So how do LDS deal with the [Adam-God] phenomenon? WE DON'T; WE SIMPLY SET IT ASIDE" - BYU prof)
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To: Colofornian

In his book Mormon Portraits (pp.70-72), Dr. Wyl presents some revealing information:

Joseph Smith finally demanded the wives of all the twelve Apostles that were at home then in Nauvoo.... Vilate Kimball, the first wife of Heber C. Kimball, ... loved her husband, and he, ... loved her, hence a reluctance to comply with the Lord’s demand that Vilate should be consecrated....

They thought the command of the Lord must be obeyed in some way, and a “proxy” way suggested itself to their minds. They had a young daughter only getting out of girlhood; and the father apologizing to the prophet for his wife’s reluctance to comply with his desires, stating, however, that the act must be right or it would not be counselled ... asked Joe if his daughter wouldn’t do as well as his wife. Joe replied that she would do just as well, and the Lord would accept her instead. The half-ripe bud of womanhood was delivered over to the Prophet.

The fact that Joseph Smith asked for Heber C. Kimball’s wife but actually married his daughter is verified in the book The Life of Heber C. Kimball, written by Apostle Orson F. Whitney:

Before he would trust even Heber with the full secret, however, he put him to a test which few men would have been able to bear.

It was no less than a requirement for him to surrender his wife, his beloved Vilate, and give her to Joseph in marriage!

The astounding revelation well-nigh paraly[z]ed him. He could hardly believe he had heard aright. Yet Joseph was solemnly in earnest.... He knew Joseph too well ... to doubt his truth or the divine origin of the behest he had made....

Three days he fasted and wept and prayed. Then, with a broken and a bleeding heart, but with soul self-mastered for the sacrifice, he led his darling wife to the Prophet’s house and presented her to Joseph.

It was enough—the heavens accepted the sacrifice. The will for the deed was taken, and ‘accounted unto him for righteousness.’ Joseph wept at this proof of devotion, and embracing Heber told him that was all the Lord required....

The Prophet joined the hands of the heroic and devoted pair, and then and there, ... Heber and Vilate Kimball were made husband and wife for all eternity (Life of Heber C. Kimball, pp.333-35).


20 posted on 11/17/2010 1:45:16 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Colofornian
And 'twas Kimball that offered up his 14 yo daughter, Helen Mar, as a "sacrificial marriage offering" to Smith's lust for more women.

That's what I don't get. How could anyone in the right mind say something like that and not think they of their own sins?

Also, I can see someone get away with that back then but for people not to look at this more closely today is amazing.

As Christians, we want to know everything about Jeses and his life. If Mormons revere Joseph Smith, wouldn't they want to know all aspects of his life? And if they do know about his life and sins, how can they deal with that and still keep the mormon faith?

21 posted on 11/17/2010 1:46:21 PM PST by dragonblustar ("... and if you disagree with me, then you sir, are worse than Hitler!" - Greg Gutfeld)
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