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When Do Protestants Know When to Return to Rome?
TheSacredPage.com ^ | November 1, 2010 | Michael Barber/Bryan Cross

Posted on 11/03/2010 4:33:54 PM PDT by Salvation

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To: evangmlw

I have a question....are todays Baptists are part of the World Counsel of Churches?


201 posted on 11/04/2010 8:25:32 PM PDT by caww
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To: evangmlw

I have a question....are todays Baptists part of the World Counsel of Churches?


202 posted on 11/04/2010 8:25:46 PM PDT by caww
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To: CynicalBear

**I’ll choose Grace.**

The word ‘grace’ is thrown around as though no response by the potential convert is even needed at all.

You at least believe that one must confess with the mouth. If they don’t do that, are they lost? So the mouth muscles have to move, but the others don’t (as in water baptism). Unless the evangelist invites himself into the potential convert’s home, a fair amount of physical effort is involved in being saved.

The Lord commanded baptism. Paul said in Rom. 6:17, “But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but have OBEYED from the heart that form of DOCTRINE which was delivered you.”

People are told by blind leaders that “Jesus did it all for you”; completely resisting the Lord’s words of instruction on how to have remission of sins. The Christ’s sacrifice satisfied the Father’s requirement for atonement for sin. But for the individual, that blood is not applied until that individual is ‘buried with him’ (thus the reason that the Lord commanded baptism; and that Peter said it was for the remission of sins).


203 posted on 11/04/2010 8:48:17 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: Quix
When Do Protestants Know When to Return to Rome?

What are we, swallows returning to Capistrano?!?

Be careful what you wish for, Rome..

"Oh, look, deacon, the swallows are returning...How beautiful they are, flying in their V-formation...V for Vatican, that is...ah-hahaha...humm...Uh...oh....no...! Run and do NOT look up, brothers...quick, someone cover the statues...."

204 posted on 11/04/2010 8:49:37 PM PDT by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: BenKenobi
If group A has a bible, and group B has a bible, and they both say different things, how will they ever reconcile?

That is only a problem if both groups have been fooled into believing they are inspired by the Holy Spirit. Otherwise, they will look to the Fathers and Doctors for guidance and thereby achieve consensus.

205 posted on 11/04/2010 8:57:31 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: evangmlw
We Baptists will never join your ranks. We have our heritage in one John the Baptist, who pointed us to Christ. We were before you and the protestants. We still preaching repentance and immersion.

Was there a gap between John the Baptist and his next historically traceable successor? If so, the legitimacy Baptist confession is not historically verifiable and depends entirely upon subjective interpretation of the (Catholic) Bible.

206 posted on 11/04/2010 9:02:09 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Rome2000

How about this: Imagine Pfleger.


207 posted on 11/04/2010 9:03:18 PM PDT by ducdriver (judica me, Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta. (Ps. 42))
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To: caww

Absolutely not, if they joined, I would leave.


208 posted on 11/04/2010 9:04:16 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: caww

Absolutely not, if they joined, I would leave.


209 posted on 11/04/2010 9:04:45 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: Quix
Below are the examples of exalting other deities. ...White washing it with magicsterical diplospeak doesn't change the facts. Rationalizing it with 101 weasel words doesn't change the facts."

All of this is nothing but insulting.

"p32 4 - She became Queen of Purgatory, where she exercises her power as mediatrix in behalf of these suffering souls."

"5 - She became Queen of us sinners, to assist us through the dangers of this life and to help us in difficulties."

Both of these are referring to Mary's love and merciful nature. Consider when you were young, and did something bad, and your father rightly and justly decided to punish you. Then your mother interceded on your behalf even though you didn't deserve any help.

"p37 Sacred Heart of Jesus, Thy kingdom come; Thy kingdom come through Mary! --Partial Indulgence"

Not exclusively through Mary. This is a reference to the help Mary provides for us. Many sinners can be saved through Her kind intercession, hence Christ's Kingdom is increased through Her. Duh.

Of course, you have posted much more. But I have not the time to refute all your thrusts. Sufficient to say, Catholics DO NOT worship Mary, The Saints, or anyone except The Holy Trinity. We honor Mary, as God has seen fit to honor Her.

yours IS watered down Christianity. Facts are facts, whether you like them or not. Open yourself to the truth and join the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church!

And one thing for ALL of us to remember. Christ said, "Faith, hope and charity, and the greatest of these is charity."

It is easy to get wrapped up in the argument, and really begin to get PO'd at the opposition. Let us bear Christ's words in mind.

I will pray for your conversion to The One True Church, The Holy Catholic Church.

210 posted on 11/04/2010 9:07:16 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (I AM the Impeccable Hat.)
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To: ducdriver

Pfleger is a disgrace. And remember...For every Pfleger type loon, there are 5 good, kind, hard-working priests. Pfleger is the exception, not the rule.


211 posted on 11/04/2010 9:10:28 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (I AM the Impeccable Hat.)
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To: mas cerveza por favor

The traceable successors were the scattered remants who refused to bow to apostate Catholicism, who severely persecuted and slaughtered those mercilessly who refused to bow to the dictatorial apostasy. God’s always had a remant who refused to bow to Balaam and Nimrod. The days of the early church are no different. Some refused to bow and defile themselves when most bowed to the great apostasy.


212 posted on 11/04/2010 9:10:55 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: Quix

Yup, not watered-down, simply defiled, rotten, and putrid. It stinks in the nostrils of God. It’s adding and taking away from His Word is what it is. The result is damnation upon those who promote it and believe it.
http://www.rockycreekbaptist.org


213 posted on 11/04/2010 9:15:39 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: evangmlw

Thanks...so would I if i attended a Baptist church...am thinking about visiting one.


214 posted on 11/04/2010 9:17:38 PM PDT by caww
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To: Celtic Cross

Well, yes, that is the point...imagine him following his bishop.

I would say for every Pfleger there are thousands of good faithful priests. I see him as an aberration that has not been dealt with. Unfortunately.


215 posted on 11/04/2010 9:18:29 PM PDT by ducdriver (judica me, Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta. (Ps. 42))
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To: mas cerveza por favor

we don’t believe in succession, but in an individual personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Although, I’m a member of a local church, my salvation is not in the church, I don’t need the church to be saved.


216 posted on 11/04/2010 9:19:22 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: BenKenobi
Can the Lutheran church argue that they were established by Christ himself?

Well certainly they can/could...And it would make a lot more sense than when your religion does it...But that wouldn't make it so any more for the Lutherans than it does for your religion...

Catholics are not Christians...Anglicans are not Christians...Baptists are not Christians...

There are however, Christians who are Baptist, Anglican and Catholic...

217 posted on 11/04/2010 10:14:57 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: evangmlw

St. Paul says you must give reason for what you believe. The Bible does not speak of two or more individuals having a personal relationship with Christ with belief systems that conflict. Such inconsistency does not make logical sense. There can only one true faith. Do you see this? The Catholic Church claims to represent that faith and proves it by solid historical evidence. The Church is something real, not just an idea.


218 posted on 11/04/2010 10:20:22 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mamelukesabre

YUP.

Good analogy.


219 posted on 11/04/2010 11:05:04 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: smvoice

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


220 posted on 11/04/2010 11:06:55 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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