Intended Catholic Dictatorship

Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

[Hank Kerchief]

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

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Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)

[Cronos]

So, is it ok by you to have Unitarians like Reggie who deny the Trinity yet say Sola SCriptura? UNitarians also deny the divinity of Christ. Are you ok with that as a manifestation of Sola Scriptura?

[Quix]

Yeah. They are the ones I got it from! LOL.

[Cronos]

And, Sola Scriptura eventually leads you to the thought processes of Jehovah's Witneses, UNitarians, Mormons:

the first generation Lutherans and ANglicans,
you had the second generation Presbyterians,
then the third generation Anabaptists,
the fourth generation BAptists and Unitarians,
the fifth generation Seventh Day Adventists and Mormons and Presbyterian-conservationists,
the sixth generation Christian Scientists, Pentecostals, Jehovah's Witnesses, the
seventh generation like Machen's OPC and other sub-sects of the Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists etc.,
the eigth generation like the Bible Presbyterian C and the Scientologists and more extreme Mormons.

Great going! It isn't God who directed this level to go down to Scientology and Mormonism..

And Roamer says "Protestants did not protest enough. " --> so all Protestant groupings who celebrate the Lords Day on Sunday are wrong as per what I can gather he's saying. Congratulations -- next step generation 9 of the Protestant groupings -- Raëlism!

[wagglebee]

Making statues of people, lighting candles in front of them, praying to them, attributing special supernatural powers to them,... It's all worship.

The HORROR of what Catholics do!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Natural Law]

"Show me where in the NT it says that Jesus is our Judge."

Isn't Jesus one in being with the Father or are you asserting that He is a completely separate being or entity?

[metmom]

What they can show you is an obscure local booklet published 50 years ago in Boston which they claim purports to demonstrate authorization by the Church of worship of Mary. They don’t understand that the determinations are made in Rome not Boston.

Show us where the Roman Catholic Church has denounced the booklet. There are even FReepers on this very thread who laud it. You can't tell us that it's not representative of what Catholics believe with any credibility under those circumstances.

Let them wallow in ignorance and questionable interpretations of Scripture.

That's not non-Catholics. That's those Catholics who laud the book, along with the author and the two men who gave permission for it to be printed, Richard Cardinal Cushing being one.

[Lera]

Where in that post is the condemning Mary to hell ?

I just can’t see it anywhere

[Cronos]

bronx: You have just highlighted the “Curse of protestantism”; It is continuously fracturing at breath neck speed

Yes -- and if you read my post about the OPC and how an ex-elder says that the ORthodoPresbyterian C is heretical, it tells you that they are fracturing faster and faster -- the OPC is less than 90 years old (formed in the 1920s-1930s) and has already had 2 break-ups: the BPC and the EPC and now is 28,000 and dwindling and now an elder says to leave it. Wooo -- the groups are smashing to atoms and they all eventually lead to paganism, Raelism, UNitarianism, etc.

[trisham]

Try to stay focused, this thread is about the misguided notion that the Catholic Church wants to bring back the Holy Roman Empire. Which is an incredibly absurd premise for anyone who knows anything about history because the TRUTH is that the Catholic Church and the Holy Roman Empire had an incredibly antagonistic relationship with each other for centuries.

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Exactly correct, particularly if we consider the fate some early Catholics met at the coliseum.

[presently no screen name]

If you can’t stand the heat of THE TRUTH - you change the subject.

[Quix]

Show us where the Roman Catholic Church has denounced the booklet. There are even FReepers on this very thread who laud it. You can’t tell us that it’s not representative of what Catholics believe with any credibility under those circumstances.

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INDEED.

[Natural Law]

"It doesn't strike me as any different than saying *I don't believe you*."

I don't believe you. The difference isn't even subtle.

[maryz]

I don't really see the contradiction -- I put forth my own impressions (and am willing to accept proof to the contrary) of the overall cast of posts ("seem"), without singling out individuals, allowing that some leeway must granted for infelicitous expression.

I don't try to argue that they believe anything other than what they say they believe. If someone says he thinks Norman Rockwell is the greatest artist in the hisory of the world and I say that he has an inadequate knowledge and appreciation of art, that's very different from telling him that he doesn't really think that about Norman Rockwell and he's hiding his real opinion for some nefarious reason!

[Cronos]

I find it INCREDIBLY IRONIC that some anti-Catholics are going to such great lengths to agree with this threads premise, namely that the Catholic Church is seeking some sort of dictatorial powers. This thread was posted by Hank Kerchief, whose real name is Reginald Firehammer (the author of this piece) -- Hank Kerchief was zotted last week for being a TROLL. Hank Kerchief doesn't just hate the Catholic Church, he hates ALL CHRISTIANS -- this piece simply follows the leftist template of opposing orthodox Christianity and the template is to attack Catholicism the hardest and the most often. The left doesn't attack Catholicism because it hates Catholicism more or differently than it hates other orthodox Christians, the left attacks Catholicism because they believe that if they destroy the Catholic Church that all other Christians will just give up.

worth repeating

[Iscool]

My point was exactly that you don't elevate Christ nearly high enough! Few if any of the non-Catholics here seem to have any appreciation of the sheer wonder of the Divinity of Christ (even those who say they accept it). Maybe they just don't express themselves well, but they seem to have an extraordinarily limited concept of God at all -- they seem to see Him plodding along with the rest of us, bound by time (though they generously grant that He can see the future).

Don't quit your day job...You're not ready yet to hit the big time as a psychic...

[bronx2]

Stating that “They condemn themselves to hell” is tantamount to condemning them since it represents a personal flawed interpretation.

If the “Couple of hundred million other non-Catholics take a verse out of context and interpret the same verse the same way”. What a joke . If they all interpret the same verse the same way then why is the CURSE of Protestantism and its disgraceful legacy perpetual being fractionized ?

[metmom]

Chapter and verse. I posted a verse of Jesus own words that He did not come into the world to judge the world.

Why are you arguing with that? Was Jesus wrong? Did He lie about it?

Aren't Catholics the ones who hold the words of Jesus in higher esteem than the rest of the NT? How can the words of men in whatever creed they quote negate what Jesus Himself said?

Here they are again, for the (apparently) Scripture reading challenged....

John 12:47-48 "As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day.

[wagglebee]

The Holy Roman Empire had nothing to do with the Roman Empire.

Charlemagne was a Frankish (French) king who was crowned emperor by the pope because the pope wanted to have some control over him. For the next thousand years the relationship between the various popes and emperors (they were actually the Austrian and Spanish royal family) ranged from luke-warm to downright hostile.

[Quix]

Nonsense.

The thread moved on from the absurd beginning a long time ago.

[trisham]

Quite right. I missed that completely.