Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Who told you and why do you believe him?
so I guess that means Rome is fallible afterall
Non sequitur. Your second statement does not follow the first.
Many reasons, but not the least Exodus 20:8. We also don't have our kids participate in sports activies scheduled for Sundays.
Here is some good info for you from UPENN. Enjoy!
http://www.sas.upenn.edu/religious_studies/rak/jewishpap.html
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rak//temp/toronto3/report-frame.html
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rak//cv.html#publications
"..I'm tired and need a drink. We'll say Paul wrote these 7 and..whose name haven't we used yet..we need an author for HEBREWS people...step it up here..."
Okay, prove it. Who wrote which NT books?
God is truth. If you don’t know God, or about God, you don’t know truth or about truth.
There’s no conceivable way of discerning truth from error or lies if you don’t know the Truth.
Anyone who claims to not know God is singularly unqualified to lecture others about Him.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Indeed catholics are attached to the law ..and will therefore be judged by it... No one could keep that law perfectly but Christ, so when the day of judgement come all seeking to be saved by the law will be dam*d by it..
Jhn 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Act 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Mark salvation does not come through Moses and the law..but by the grace of God ...
Based on that video a few thousand posts back, it makes sense.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
I don’t have to prove anything, friend. I never said the NT books were NOT authored by the ones whose names are claimed. Except for Acts and Hebrews. I don’t have a problem with the idea that Paul wrote Romans through Philemon, and that James wrote James, etc. I wasn’t aware that you did. Enlighten me, if you have information.
What council was it that sealed the cannon?? Ohh yea the same one that cursed those that left..
If Trent was wrong about the canon.. just maybe they are wrong about other things..
You better check with St. Barbara, she is the Patron Saint of Artillery. I did spend enough time in the Army to know that a sealed cannon can be dangerous.
Exd 20:8 ¶ Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
The Sabbath God gave was Saturday..is that your sabbath ?? Maybe legally God does not accept Sundays.. Where did Jesus change it?
Mark if one goes to church because it is a mortal sin not to, then it is for self serving reasons, it is a work ...it is not for the glory of God..
But that aside the sabbath rest is a gift of God to men ...it is not something we do for God. When that law was given to the jews, they were coming out of slavery, where they had to labor every day.. a day of rest was a gift to men
Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Indeed catholics are attached to the law ..and will therefore be judged by it... No one could keep that law perfectly but Christ, so when the day of judgement come all seeking to be saved by the law will be dam*d by it..
False a couple of times here. We will be Judged by Christ on, among other things, how we kept His Commandments. We understand that nobody will keep it perfectly, but one of the purposes of the teachings of Jesus is how to strive to imitate Him. To strive to keep the Law of Christ is to imitate Him; our Judgement will be on our deeds and failure to repent for what falls short of Christ.
Mark salvation does not come through Moses and the law..but by the grace of God ...
Agreed, but we mean different things here. We Catholics accept what God and His Church tell us. Anti Catholics construct their own golden calves to their own personal gods. This thread over the last couple of thousand posts illustrate that very well.
Understood. Emotions have been a little high on this thread since a disputed document was entered into evidence...
OPPPS LOL
our rest is in Jesus, and yet there remains another, God's rest. The sabbath day, while useful and well to keep, is not God's rest
Basically it comes down to this: since the books of the NT did not come signed (it was considered hubris), the Church in its process of collecting, authorizing and amassing Scripture decided to put names to the books. 200 years or more after they were written. With the chaos of the intervening years, in some cases, they were simply assigned authorship based on what the Church thought at the time: e.g. Hebrews = Paul. It turns out that 1 Peter is unlikely to be Peter and 2 Peter is definitely not Peter because of the time of authorship. There are some studies going on now, and some that have recently concluded.
The upshot is that we don't know the authorship of much of the NT; however the Church has declared them Scripture and that we must believe or else we are not Christian. 2 Peter is Scripture, declared by the Church and therefore it is. Is there more you'd like?
Thanks for the links!
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