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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

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To: RnMomof7
I am told we have the bible thanks to the catholic church..

Who told you and why do you believe him?

so I guess that means Rome is fallible afterall

Non sequitur. Your second statement does not follow the first.

13,521 posted on 10/20/2010 11:41:50 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (A puritan is a person who pours righteous indignation into the wrong things.)
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To: RnMomof7
Mark why do you go to church on Sundays ?

Many reasons, but not the least Exodus 20:8. We also don't have our kids participate in sports activies scheduled for Sundays.

13,522 posted on 10/20/2010 11:45:35 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (A puritan is a person who pours righteous indignation into the wrong things.)
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To: maryz

Here is some good info for you from UPENN. Enjoy!

http://www.sas.upenn.edu/religious_studies/rak/jewishpap.html

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rak//temp/toronto3/report-frame.html

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rak//cv.html#publications


13,523 posted on 10/20/2010 11:46:29 AM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: smvoice
BWHAHAHA!! Which foolable magisterium put the wrong names on the Books?

"..I'm tired and need a drink. We'll say Paul wrote these 7 and..whose name haven't we used yet..we need an author for HEBREWS people...step it up here..."

Okay, prove it. Who wrote which NT books?

13,524 posted on 10/20/2010 11:46:50 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (A puritan is a person who pours righteous indignation into the wrong things.)
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To: RnMomof7

God is truth. If you don’t know God, or about God, you don’t know truth or about truth.

There’s no conceivable way of discerning truth from error or lies if you don’t know the Truth.

Anyone who claims to not know God is singularly unqualified to lecture others about Him.


13,525 posted on 10/20/2010 11:48:12 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Natural Law

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


13,526 posted on 10/20/2010 11:49:34 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Natural Law

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


13,527 posted on 10/20/2010 11:49:42 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: MarkBsnr; metmom
We are Moses, spiritually attached to God,

Indeed catholics are attached to the law ..and will therefore be judged by it... No one could keep that law perfectly but Christ, so when the day of judgement come all seeking to be saved by the law will be dam*d by it..

Jhn 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Act 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Mark salvation does not come through Moses and the law..but by the grace of God ...

13,528 posted on 10/20/2010 11:49:49 AM PDT by RnMomof7 (Some call me harpy..God calls me His)
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To: MarkBsnr

Based on that video a few thousand posts back, it makes sense.


13,529 posted on 10/20/2010 11:49:52 AM PDT by Jaded (Stumbling blocks ALL AROUND, some of them camouflaged well. My toes hurt, but I got past them.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


13,530 posted on 10/20/2010 11:52:23 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: MarkBsnr

I don’t have to prove anything, friend. I never said the NT books were NOT authored by the ones whose names are claimed. Except for Acts and Hebrews. I don’t have a problem with the idea that Paul wrote Romans through Philemon, and that James wrote James, etc. I wasn’t aware that you did. Enlighten me, if you have information.


13,531 posted on 10/20/2010 11:52:38 AM PDT by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: MarkBsnr; metmom
Non sequitur. Your second statement does not follow the first.

What council was it that sealed the cannon?? Ohh yea the same one that cursed those that left..

If Trent was wrong about the canon.. just maybe they are wrong about other things..

13,532 posted on 10/20/2010 11:54:13 AM PDT by RnMomof7 (Some call me harpy..God calls me His)
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To: RnMomof7; MarkBsnr; metmom
"What council was it that sealed the cannon??"

You better check with St. Barbara, she is the Patron Saint of Artillery. I did spend enough time in the Army to know that a sealed cannon can be dangerous.

13,533 posted on 10/20/2010 12:00:36 PM PDT by Natural Law (Don't automatically presume the voices in your hear are the Holy Spirit.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Many reasons, but not the least Exodus 20:8. We also don't have our kids participate in sports activies scheduled for Sundays.

Exd 20:8 ¶ Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

The Sabbath God gave was Saturday..is that your sabbath ?? Maybe legally God does not accept Sundays.. Where did Jesus change it?

Mark if one goes to church because it is a mortal sin not to, then it is for self serving reasons, it is a work ...it is not for the glory of God..

But that aside the sabbath rest is a gift of God to men ...it is not something we do for God. When that law was given to the jews, they were coming out of slavery, where they had to labor every day.. a day of rest was a gift to men

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

13,534 posted on 10/20/2010 12:15:13 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Some call me harpy..God calls me His)
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To: RnMomof7
We are Moses, spiritually attached to God,

Indeed catholics are attached to the law ..and will therefore be judged by it... No one could keep that law perfectly but Christ, so when the day of judgement come all seeking to be saved by the law will be dam*d by it..

False a couple of times here. We will be Judged by Christ on, among other things, how we kept His Commandments. We understand that nobody will keep it perfectly, but one of the purposes of the teachings of Jesus is how to strive to imitate Him. To strive to keep the Law of Christ is to imitate Him; our Judgement will be on our deeds and failure to repent for what falls short of Christ.

Mark salvation does not come through Moses and the law..but by the grace of God ...

Agreed, but we mean different things here. We Catholics accept what God and His Church tell us. Anti Catholics construct their own golden calves to their own personal gods. This thread over the last couple of thousand posts illustrate that very well.

13,535 posted on 10/20/2010 12:16:11 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (A puritan is a person who pours righteous indignation into the wrong things.)
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To: Religion Moderator

Understood. Emotions have been a little high on this thread since a disputed document was entered into evidence...


13,536 posted on 10/20/2010 12:18:05 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (A puritan is a person who pours righteous indignation into the wrong things.)
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To: Natural Law
You better check with St. Barbara, she is the Patron Saint of Artillery. I did spend enough time in the Army to know that a sealed cannon can be dangerous.

OPPPS LOL

13,537 posted on 10/20/2010 12:19:12 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Some call me harpy..God calls me His)
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To: RnMomof7
Hebrews 4

our rest is in Jesus, and yet there remains another, God's rest. The sabbath day, while useful and well to keep, is not God's rest

13,538 posted on 10/20/2010 12:22:39 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: smvoice
I don’t have to prove anything, friend. I never said the NT books were NOT authored by the ones whose names are claimed. Except for Acts and Hebrews. I don’t have a problem with the idea that Paul wrote Romans through Philemon, and that James wrote James, etc. I wasn’t aware that you did. Enlighten me, if you have information.

Basically it comes down to this: since the books of the NT did not come signed (it was considered hubris), the Church in its process of collecting, authorizing and amassing Scripture decided to put names to the books. 200 years or more after they were written. With the chaos of the intervening years, in some cases, they were simply assigned authorship based on what the Church thought at the time: e.g. Hebrews = Paul. It turns out that 1 Peter is unlikely to be Peter and 2 Peter is definitely not Peter because of the time of authorship. There are some studies going on now, and some that have recently concluded.

The upshot is that we don't know the authorship of much of the NT; however the Church has declared them Scripture and that we must believe or else we are not Christian. 2 Peter is Scripture, declared by the Church and therefore it is. Is there more you'd like?

13,539 posted on 10/20/2010 12:23:41 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (A puritan is a person who pours righteous indignation into the wrong things.)
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To: stfassisi

Thanks for the links!


13,540 posted on 10/20/2010 12:23:47 PM PDT by maryz
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