Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Right. Sorry, forgot to add her as addressee.
RSV Exodus 12:40,41 The time that the people of Israel dwelt in Egypt was four ... According to this passage 600000 men descended from Yaacov left Egypt. ...
www.ancient-hebrew.org/39_exodus.html - Cached - Similar
Certainly you did not author all that was in your post #11895 so where did that part come from if not the web site above or one that exactly mirrors it?
What you wrote IS a verbatim quote for the most part. The comparison you invited shows that clearly.
Is this still being discussed?!?! What do you want, Mark? Look at it this way. This is a doctrine of fallible men. They got together and decided what their truth was. And convinced people it was true. But someone searched and found the truth, a final authority so to speak, and compared it to the lie, and the lie was discovered by all who read it. It should be so easy everywhere. But doctrines of fallible men are in the eyes of the beholder, I guess. Some are found out by searching a final authority, and some are held as truth even as the final authority is dismissed. That’s why it’s SO IMPORTANT to have a bottom line to go to. One that is unchanging, and is not subject to the whims of evil and/or deceived men.
The Masonic Oath.
When I put in clown worship service presbyterian, I got 1,120,000 results. http://www.fpcgv.org/AboutUs/Staff.aspx has an active clown and puppet ministry for their worship services.
http://www.presbycc.org/youthfiles/youthministyresources.htm boasts: Clown Ministry Handbook, Janet Litherland. The basics of clown ministry and skits for service and worship
http://www.picklesdaclown.com/history.htm gives us, among other tidbits: •Westminster Presbyterian Church Missions Festival, lead children's worship, Rock Hill, SC - 3/25-27/09
2004 - 2008: Goodwill Evangelical Presbyterian Church, Montgomery, NY - Director for Cornerstone Puppet Theater, Circus For The King clown ministry...
She is active in this fashion across many Protestant denominations...
http://www.gracepcusamobile.org/history.html gives us: Dawes B. Thomson was installed on July 31, 1977. His "Clown Ministry" was very popular with the young and old in the church as well as the presbytery....
Does that mean that there are not clown masses? No. They are pagan and need to eradicated and the priests involved censured or dismissed.
Now I can make a good argument from the Scriptures that a million or more participated in the Exodus but I won't try to debate unattributed quotes from unnamed sources.
I've posted the comparison requested, the readers will form their own opinions.
Cheers!
Cronos...Many of the Christian faith do not base their faith or beliefs on what Pastors teach...though they may and indeed do speak the truth for the most part. In fact Pastors of churches I've attended more often than not encourage it's members to examine the scriptures to see if what they are saying is so, especially on disputable matters of the faith....and I do just that when in question.
So how does one then tell truth from what might be taught. The scriptures are the ultimate authority...if it contradicts then it's false. Are there grey areas...certainly..but we walk by faith do we not?...We can and do trust Christ in those areas of grey.
The longer an individual walks with Christ the more sensitive he becomes to the sound of His voice over that of the enemy who deceives and misleads. We do learn what His Spirit's promptings are and even with that we can often ask the Lord for confirmation........ Therefore it is not right to state all Protestants or non-Catholic churches fit your ideas...that is simply not true and even the Vatican does not stand on this idea that only those in the Catholic church are or can be truly saved.
The Pope himself stated there are believers in other churches as well and he does not say they are lost because they are not in the Catholic church.
No doubt.
I supported the person, not the document. I don’t recall saying diddly about the document, other than that it was false after that came out.
I must have missed that in the midst of your orgy of Catholic bashing. Do you have a post number?
However, as I recall, the reasons for you to apologize to me have been lost count of because I never started counting them. It would likely be many dozens by now.
Really? Likely? In round figures, it would approach zero linearly and not asymptotically. I'm not sure that I have anything to apologize for to the Robert Gibbs of the Harpy Coven. Pray enlighten me if you can think of something.
It is the extemporaneous product of many years of reading and studying biblical history. I may even have read the Gephart article years ago.
However, if two people arrive at a nearly identical conclusion when independently studying the same subject there is a pretty good probability it is true, wouldn't you agree?
Now if you want to discuss any of the points I made I am more than willing to discuss them and provide even more corroboration, although not extemporaneously.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to back my screen down to 33% each time one of your posts crosses my screen, nor the time to extract the text and try to format it in such a way that somebody not on LSD can make sense of it. We’ve discussed your formatting before, on several occasions...
Priests can be dismissed? I thought that the priesthood is permanent. Like Christ's 'in the line of Melchizedek'. Even if they do dress up like a clown and shoot water out of their plastic daisy.
......"So these 'traditions' have a secret, hidden source known by only a select few".......Good question Iscool.
That is the first thing one looks for in cult activity...secret oaths and writings or documents shared by only the elect once they have gone thru the rituals/ordinances. I have shared with many along the way....If it's secret and held behind closed doors, has private oaths and rituals of allegiance to any other than Christ,....you can be certain the enemy of men's souls has his hand in that fire.
How about we expand the discussion to include dinosaurs living along side modern humans? You can use any sources you want.
Well played, Mark, well played!
Ordination causes what is called an ontological change. Nevertheless a bishop doesn't have to assign a priest to anything, or a priest can be suspended from exercising his priestly ministry or a priest can be "reduced to the lay state" but even a priest so reduced can function as a priest in emergencies for the good of the faithful (someone dying in the street, etc).
Actually no. I am talking about a Church and an "Empire" built on lies.
Lies such as: (There are far too many to list.)
THE FORGED APOSTOLIC CONSTITUTIONS
THE FORGED LIBER PONTIFICALIS
THE "CONVERSION OF CONSTANTINE"
THE FORGED "DONATION OF CONSTANTINE"
THE "FALSE DECRETALS" FORGERIES
You two could always join the KoC to find out what it is all about, but then that would involve getting up out of the Lazy-Boy and actually living a life of Christian Charity and Beatitude (hint: the Gospels). It may not be as easy and fulfilling to your inner self as anonymously slandering the Church, but it will do others a world of good.
You’re telling me that a ‘reduced’ priest still has the power to retain or remit sin? And perform the eucharist?
A priest himself has no powers to do any of those things. It is only when he is acting "in persona Christi" that these things occur.
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