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To: Deo volente

Nonsense. There are tons of Scriptures that back up Catholic doctrine.


There is scripture that goes against Catholic doctrine too
Here’s one.

1Ti 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
1Ti 3:6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
1Ti 3:7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.


4,822 posted on 07/31/2010 10:09:08 PM PDT by Lera
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To: Lera

What Catholic doctrine does that passage contradict?


4,824 posted on 07/31/2010 10:15:18 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Lera

The requirement that bishops be celibate in the Western church is a disciplinary rule, not doctrine. There’s a difference. Disciplines can be changed, doctrine can not. That’s why there will never be women priests in the Catholic Church. It’s a doctrine, and can not be changed.

Oh brother...I’ve probably opened another can of worms here!


4,825 posted on 07/31/2010 10:16:57 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: Lera

INDEED.

Along with a LOT of others.

e.g.

ALL THOSE ABOUT

IT IS WRITTEN . . .


4,828 posted on 07/31/2010 10:20:37 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Lera; Deo volente
I'm guessing your bit is about celibacy, so let's leave that for last, let's see the other points:
1. Bish shold be blameless, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach, not given to given, no striker, not greedy, but patient, not a brawler etc. --> now probably many Leaders both Catholic and otherwise fail at this.

About the celibacy bit:
1. There are Eastern Catholic priests and Orthodox priests who have wives (but they need to be married before joining the priesthood)
2. verses 2's emphasis is that the bishop (overseer) must have at the most one wife. It does not say that he must have a wife. Similarly verse 4 says that he must be able to manage his family and children, it does not say that he must have children. For E. Catholic and EO priests who are married men before they become priests, yes, these criteria are literally followed. For those who are NOT married before they become priests, would you argue that they must get married before priesthood?

3. Matthew 19:12
12For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage[c]because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."


4. Celibacy is a discipline, not a central dogma (hence we have married Eastern Catholic priests), the origins of which date back to the early Middle Ages, when the monks were held in high esteem and people found it easy to crib about the local Vicar and his wife (just as one would find the same in Victorian England if you read any Victorian or Edwardian novels) -- whether true or not. It was also believed that an unmarried man or woman could better devote themselves to God (just like that interesting Seinfeld episode "The Abstinence"!) --> whether you believe that or not, that's what people in the early middle ages did, hence the origins of celibacy (the opposite is viewed in the heresy of Nicolaism)

5. Married men may be ordained deacons (but unmarried deacons cannot get married post ordination)
4,865 posted on 08/01/2010 1:40:58 AM PDT by Cronos (Omnia mutantur, nihil interit. "Allah": Satan's current status)
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