Testimony of a Former Irish Priest

BereanBeacon.Org ^ | Richard Peter Bennett

[MarkBsnr]

It's pretty much SOP for the Catholic side of the debate. I've been called a liar by some of the same FRoman Catholics for relating what I knew as fact when I was growing up simply because I would not compromise my screen name either.

This is deflection. Asking for the identification of a church within a year of any of the three claimed occurances is hardly a compromise of screen name or identification. Unless she was going by that name during that time, of course. I wish to identify the church by name so that I can determine if her claim is true. Given her past antiCatholicism and the fact that many if not most of her claims are not shown to be true, leads me to question this latest claim. If we can show it to be the truth, so be it. If it is shown to be a lie, then, the truth will set us free.

[YHAOS]

“And so I agree with you that our RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD is our first priority as Christians.”

Amen.

betty, you are like a diamond found in the coal bin (actually, we’ve a number of diamonds in this bin).

Thanks so much for your blessed contributions.

[Dutchboy88]

You’ll have to be more specific about what you don’t think I addressed. “Us” is any FReeper around here who understands what I was saying and would be willing to explain it to you.

[small voice in the wilderness]

You are too easy.

Show me the Assumption of Mary in Scripture. We'll START there.

[MarkBsnr]

Thanks for clearing that up.

I’m not part of “you guys”, I speak only for myself. And the flock was God’s not Paul’s.

Very good, but this is splitting hairs. The Church is the Church of Jesus Christ, of course. Paul is responsible as bishop for a certain portion of the Church.

[Quix]

INDEED. AMEN! AMEN!

[Deo volente]

It could have been that there was some singing by a cantor and/or a choir, and she thought this meant “High Mass”.

A High Nuptial Mass is exceedingly rare. I don’t believe they even had them after the Latin Mass went out around 1964. It’s not done in the Novus Ordo liturgy, to my knowledge, and that came in in 1969.

I wouldn’t expect her to be up on all the liturgical terms.

[Natural Law]

"Show me the Assumption of Mary in Scripture. "

Show me in Scripture where Scripture is the only objective standard of proof. It is pretty disingenuous that Protestants continue to demand that Catholics adopt the heresy of Sola Scriptura in order to engage in a discussion or debate but refuse to apply the same standard to their conditions for debate.

[betty boop]

...actually, we’ve a number of diamonds in this bin....

I so agree, dear YHAOS! This thread has been blessed....

Thank you for your kind words, dear brother in Christ!

[Deo volente]

Not every aspect of Catholic doctrine is EXPLICITLY spelled out in Scripture.

You know that, or you should. We Catholics also have Sacred Tradition.

If you don’t accept that, fine. We’ll remain in disagreement. But asking us to show every Catholic doctrine spelled out to the n-th degree in the Bible is fruitless, since there is also Tradition guided by the Holy Spirit.

We can’t have a fruitful discussion on those terms, since we don’t accept your assumption that Scripture is EVERYTHING.

[Uri’el-2012]

UM, what does Kepha(s) mean?

I don't know.

Do you know what it means ?

Do you think it is important ?

I don't think it is important.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[small voice in the wilderness]

None of the Catholic Church's teachings and beliefs are outside the Written Word of God. Everything she holds to be true and necessary for the salvation of souls is within Scripture both explicitly and implicitly. Protestants choosing to disbelieve her exegesis is nothing new. Heresy and schism have existed since the beginning. The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, the primacy of Peter, the doctrines regarding Mary, purgatory, confession, ALL OF IT found in Scripture, but that Scriptural evidence as understood by Catholics is REJECTED and MOCKED as superstition, cultish or satanic. The NEED has been met through each subsequent generation of believers, just as their needs are still being met today as old heresies are dredged up over and over.

This is what Jvette posted to me. And I gave her one of your Church's beliefs to show me in Scripture. She claimed it was ALL there, in Scripture, not me.

Why don't you read posts before you chime in with your opinion? It would be so refreshing.

[small voice in the wilderness]

I agree. And Jvette should know this before posting some outlandish claim that is so OBVIOUSLY WRONG.

I won't embarass him/her anymore.

Just a point to be made. KNOW WHAT THOU BELIEVEST, or LEARN BEFORE THOU POSTETH...

[MarkBsnr]

Especially this one.... (MarkBsnr)”I understand that just like the Muslims, Calvinists believe that it is okay to lie to others who are not of their faith. The 10 Commandments don’t apply to non Calvinists - okay we get that. “

And you got it from where exactly?

From the Calvinists on FR. If you cannot avoid going to heaven, and nothing that you can do will stop that, then you can do anything. Certain Calvinists here lie with the abandon of seasoned politicians. The Calvinists here also think it fine that Paul and Isaiah supersede Christ, who is relegated to the corner and given an occasional notice, like a former star who has aged and needs to be trotted out to sign autographs every once in a while.

Now, have I ever seen a printed document stating that it is fine for Calvinists to lie to nonCalvinists, no. But after being lied to in small as well as bold fashion in reasonably regular intervals, well, what would expect my understanding to be?

[Uri’el-2012]

Show me in Scripture where Scripture is the only objective standard of proof. It is pretty disingenuous that Protestants continue to demand that Catholics adopt the heresy of Sola Scriptura in order to engage in a discussion or debate but refuse to apply the same standard to their conditions for debate.

SEE :Jos. 8:31; 2 Sam. 1:18; 2 Ki. 23:21; 2 Chr. 23:18; 25:4; 31:3; 35:12; Ezr. 3:2, 4; 6:18; Neh. 8:15; 10:34, 36; Ps. 40:7; Isa. 65:6; Dan. 9:13; Matt. 4:4, 6, 10; 11:10; 21:13; 26:24, 31; Mk. 1:2; 7:6; 9:13; 14:21, 27; Lk. 2:23; 3:4; 4:4, 8, 10; 7:27; 19:46; 24:46; Jn. 6:31, 45; 12:14; Acts 1:20; 7:42; 15:15; 23:5; Rom. 1:17; 2:24; 3:4, 10; 4:17; 8:36; 9:13, 33; 10:15; 11:8, 26; 12:19; 14:11; 15:3, 9, 21; 1 Co. 1:19, 31; 2:9; 3:19; 9:9; 10:7; 14:21; 15:45; 2 Co. 8:15; 9:9; Gal. 3:10, 13; 4:22, 27; Heb. 10:7; 1 Pet. 1:16

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[MarkBsnr]

The Religion Moderator reprimanded your post that you’re defending. Try to follow the rules.

Didn't I see you in Animal House with Dean Wormer?

[small voice in the wilderness]

Hmmmm....that’s a BUNCH of “show-me”’s!

[MarkBsnr]

And I am not "bitterly anti-Catholic."

You hide it well.

[Hegewisch Dupa]

just trying to keep my nose clean. And failing more often than not, INDEED! ;)