Posted on 06/13/2010 12:16:24 PM PDT by markomalley
.- Thousands of pilgrims and faithful gathered at noon Sunday in St. Peter’s Square to pray the Angelus with the Holy Father. Before the prayer, he said that the fruits of the recently ended Year for Priests could never be measured, but are already visible and will continue to be ever more so.
“The priest is a gift from the heart of Christ, a gift for the Church and for the world. From the heart of the Son of God, overflowing with love, all the goods of the Church spring forth,” proclaimed Pope Benedict XVI. “One of those goods is the vocations of those men who, conquered by the Lord Jesus, leave everything behind to dedicate themselves completely to the Christian community, following the example of the Good Shepherd.”
The Holy Father described the priest as having been formed by “the same charity of Christ, that love which compelled him to give his life for his friends and to forgive his enemies.”
“Therefore,” he continued, “priests are the primary builders of the civilization of love.”
Benedict XVI exhorted priests to always seek the intercession of St. John Marie Vianney, whose prayer, the “Act of Love,” was prayed frequently during the Year for Priests, and “continues to fuel our dialogue with God.”
The pontiff also spoke about the close of the Year for Priests, which took place this past week and culminated with the Solemnity of the Sacred Heart of Jesus. He emphasized “the unforgettable days in the presence of more than 15,000 priests from around the world.”
The feast of the Sacred Heart is traditionally a “day of priestly holiness,” but this time it was especially so, Benedict XVI remarked.
Pope Benedict concluded his comments by noting that, in contemplating history, “one observes so many pages of authentic social and spiritual renewal which have been written by the decisive contribution of Catholic priests.” These were inspired “only by their passion for the Gospel and for mankind, for his true civil and religious freedom.”
“So many initiatives that promote the entire human being have begun with the intuition of a priestly heart,” he exclaimed.
The Pope then prayed the Angelus, greeted those present in various languages, and imparted his apostolic blessing.
You don't demonstrate that when you post about the teachings of the Church.
Catholics see salvation as a corporate thing, found in and through the church Catholics see salvation as a corporate thing, found in and through the church
Here's what the Catholic Catechism actually says:
No, I just quoted Scripture.
When I love an unsaved man, I do not look at it as a command of God, but a human kindness ...
How generous of you.
INDEED.
QUITE SO.
You mean laws like infant baptism, communion once a year, confession once a year , mandatory mass on Sundays? You mean religious laws like that ??
Roman Catholism is Judaism redux.. the "vestments " the alter , the "sacrifice,"the priest"
Jesus came to fulfill the law not to make new ones...men were condemned under the jewish laws
Even when there was a simple covenant, a simple single law man could not keep it
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. - Gen 2:16-17
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. - Rom 7:7-9
When one says "You are saved by grace, BUT."..they have negated everything they said before the but.. it is no longer a salvation by grace it is a self made earned salvation that makes God your debtor.. God owes me salvation cause I kept the religious laws and I did "good" works ... So pay up God ya owe me
"If any one saith, that the justice [righteousness] received is not preserved and also increased before God through good works; but that the said works are merely the fruits and signs of Justification obtained, but not a cause of the increase thereof; let him be anathema."
(Council of Trent, Canons on Justification).
Just smiling as I remember the curses laid against those of us that trust Christ still are in effect today ...
I included my INTERPRETATION in the context of the verse concerned--IN BRACKETS ([]).
Perhaps the 2 year old education of the Vatican affiliate rabid clique folks has not included yet, the common educated knowledge of literate folks the world over that brackets in quoted material is from other than that material--typically, from the person doing the quoting.
NOW, y'all can understand that, perhaps. I'm not placing any bets.
I also more or less noted AT THAT TIME, that y'all's mangled, irrational, inconsistent interpretation was not owned honestly in anyway. Y'all have just been pretending that y'all's mangled interpretation was HOLY WRIT in toto.
THANKFULLY, PRODDYS hereon are 'onto that' nonsense. We can smell the stink coming & SLATHERED OFFENSIVELY ON THE TRUE UNRUBBERIZED BIBLE, a long way off.
CROSSING THE DESERT DID NOT SAVE HIM!
I guess Hebrews is not in the Vatican rubber 'Bible.'
Perhaps Alex Murphy can tell us how many times Paul noted in Hebrews that it was
FAITH in God's Word, what God said . . . that was accounted to Abraham et al EVEN IN THE OLD TESTAMENT ERA--AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.
I suspect God had Paul write it so many times from so many examples because of the stubborn, bull-headed contrariness of so many folks addicted to idolatrous relationships with, toward INSTITUTIONS and CULTISH WORKS-BASED NOTIONS OF SALVATION for so many centuries thereafter.
Perhaps Paul wasted his ink on such folks. Perhaps some compassionate angels will drill a hole and pour it in.
They wouldn't.
It is not an English word either so why would it appear in the AV, which was an English translation? pointless pettifogging.
Negative. It is your point that a similar translation in Greek exactly corresponds with the intent of the feast. My point is that the Shavuot is NOT the Pentecost both in intent and in translation.
Disdain? What disdain? The Septuagint is in Greek and those Greek speaking Jews in Egypt who celebrated the Festival of Weeks would have used a Greek term for it.
A Greek term. The two different in intent feasts would not have been mixed up. Not by observant Jews who regarded Christianity as heresy and blasphemy.
The apocrypha is not part of “all Scripture” and no longer even appears in the King James.
You call it Apocrypha. The correct term is the Deuterocanonicals. You label something, act upon it, and justify the action based upon the label. Rather circular logic. If you wish to base your claim upon a rather tenuous link of nomenclature in the Septuagint, then at least be consistent and accept the Deuterocanonicals as Scripture upon the same authority and for the same reason.
It is exactly not as you said. I have proven subordinationism from unadulterated Scripture. You skip around the point and do not address it. You have not addressed any of my points which all address the idea that most or all of the major heresies can be proven using snippets of Scripture. Instead of waffling, please address what I have posted.
I can prove various other heresies from snippets of Scripture including Arianism which posits that Jesus was not God at all, but a man. And so on. Using snippets Scripture (mostly Paul and the OT and ignoring the Gospels), I can even prove Calvin's heresies.
Those who rely on their own interpretation of Scripture without the guidance of the Church and the Holy Spirit which guides it will inevitably come up with a novel interpreation of Christianity which bears no resemblence to the intention of Christ.
Really? Apparently the Epistles are redacted from your Bible along all the good bits such as the Gospels.
If I threw my bible away, or had never even seen one, I could fit right in to the Mormon religion, the Izlamaniac religion or the Catholic religion...But since I do own and study a bible, I couldn't possibly join any of those religions...
Really? Are you a Montanist, or an Arian, or any of the subordinationists, strictly based on your own personal interpretation of the Bible? A heaping helping of YOPIOS each day helped such as Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Smith, Smyth, the Campbells, Stone, McPherson, and so on with creating their own religion. How's the view from the Iscool LaZBoy Throne of Sports Religion in the Sunday afternoon sanctuary?
REWARDS not salvation ..
Eph 2:10 — For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
It is all a work of God, our faith, our salvation , our works
These works are not for our salvation.. these works are for HIS GLORY
Mat 5:16 — Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
If these works were OUR WORK, if they were counted toward our salvation..the praise would be for us..not for the glory of God..
He ordains the works, He gives us the desire to preform them, He furnishes us with all we need to preform them
Our works flow from the grace of God.. To Him be the glory ,,,, Sola Deo Gloria
From the point of view that God offers all men salvation, I suppose so. From the point of view that not all men accept His salvation, not so. Again mark, WHO was the WE ? The saved,, those were the letter was written to the church
The evil that men do are Judged. Such is the Gospel message. I know that you would have Paul's writings to his flock supersede the Gospel, and that the Calvinist message of predetermination to Heaven supersede Paul, and that you yourself are a part of that predestination to Heaven. Yet, we have the lesson of the workers in the vineyard. It is the ones who persevere to the end that are awarded the payment. Some came early and some came late, but they were all rewarded. The ones who did not come, were not rewarded. Boast not; the Judge will make His Judgement and it will be independent of you or of any man.
It is customary, Dr. E., that when one posts another's words, that one acknowledges or pings that individual. Such rudeness is inexcusable, and abrogates all posting etiquette. It is sad that one who routinely berates others for such departure from the rules to depart from them in such a blatant manner.
I also notice that you do not, as you have not in the past, attempted to debate this. I will take this as an acknowledgement that you cannot debate it with any hope of succeeding. I provided a number of examples, and can provide many more. In some cases, Paul called Jesus a man and not God. Do you have anything to say about that?
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WISE FOLKS take the WHOLE COUNSEL OF SCRIPTURE, as led of Holy Spirit, over all other inputs, criteria, standards, assertions, perspectives.
When you lie down with dogs, Quix, you get up with fleas. You have fallen into the trap of eliminating Jesus from your Christianity and, with those whose boots you are licking, substitute misintepreted Paul instead. If you give us Christ, we will acknowledge your Christianity. You have been wavering lately. Is it too late to pull you back into Christianity?
No, Christ never did tell us that. You have been told that is how to interpret his teaching, but the absurdity is thinking our works can "buy" our salvation. If that were the case, why did Christ have to die?
Galatians 2:20-21
20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Why would you want to frustrate or set-aside the grace of God, anyway? Please go back to my post, which was a response to yours differentiating "salvific" works from what you called the "Hebrew Law". My point was the ten commandments WERE part of the Hebrew Law and by YOUR reasoning, were not salvific so it followed they were not necessary for salvation. I thought that reasoning WAS pretty funny, which was why I mentioned it. Does that clear it up some?
Interestingly enough, there have not been many. Our separated friends prefer to snicker amongst themselves and mischaracterize Christian posts for their own ends. Even the post mangler has fallen into the Calvinist trap.
You know I do
Catholics see salvation as a corporate thing, found in and through the church Catholics see salvation as a corporate thing, found in and through the church
Here's what the Catholic Catechism actually says:
169 Salvation comes from God alone; but because we receive the life of faith through the Church, she is our mother: "We believe the Church as the mother of our new birth, and not in the Church as if she were the author of our salvation."55 Because she is our mother, she is also our teacher in the faith.
Any counselor knows the the word BUT nullifies everything said before it.. And this quote verifies what I said.. the church is the source of salvation to Catholics, a corporate salvation ,thank you for the confirmation..All glory and praise to Roman church from whom salvation comes
You may see it that way
No, I just quoted Scripture.
Could you show me the magistrums official commentary on those scriptures? I believe you are misreading them
When I love an unsaved man, I do not look at it as a command of God, but a human kindness ...
How generous of you.
Well at least I am not calling a child of satan my brother and helping him so I GET INTO HEAVEN.. that is just a bit of self serving works..
You'd better pay attention to whom you are keeping company. They believe that only the elect from before time can be saved; this verse does not matter to them a whit. Well, are you written in before time? If not, they don't care what you believe. Ask them. I'm sure that they'll be truthful...
Yes, you've been making many of them on this thread. Remind yourself of who you are keeping company with...
This was just posted for me so your line about Quix eliminating Christ made me laugh
169 Salvation comes from God alone; but because we receive the life of faith through the Church, she is our mother: "We believe the Church as the mother of our new birth, and not in the Church as if she were the author of our salvation."55 Because she is our mother, she is also our teacher in the faith.
People should be sure their hose is not made of glass before they throw stones..
Come to Christ mark..mother church will never save you
This is Christianity, from the beginning. The trouble with the Johnny come latelies, the armchair quarterbacks, and the seekers of personal power, is that their message is quantifiably different from the Church, from the Apostles, and most importantly, from Jesus/
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