THE MUCH NEEDED
TRIP TO THE TAXIDERMY
HAS YET TO BE MADE
BY THE BULK OF
THE RABID CLIQUE FOLKS.
And the chronic falsehoods and bearing false witness continues relentlessly. What a surprise, NOT!
Posted on 06/13/2010 12:16:24 PM PDT by markomalley
.- Thousands of pilgrims and faithful gathered at noon Sunday in St. Peter’s Square to pray the Angelus with the Holy Father. Before the prayer, he said that the fruits of the recently ended Year for Priests could never be measured, but are already visible and will continue to be ever more so.
“The priest is a gift from the heart of Christ, a gift for the Church and for the world. From the heart of the Son of God, overflowing with love, all the goods of the Church spring forth,” proclaimed Pope Benedict XVI. “One of those goods is the vocations of those men who, conquered by the Lord Jesus, leave everything behind to dedicate themselves completely to the Christian community, following the example of the Good Shepherd.”
The Holy Father described the priest as having been formed by “the same charity of Christ, that love which compelled him to give his life for his friends and to forgive his enemies.”
“Therefore,” he continued, “priests are the primary builders of the civilization of love.”
Benedict XVI exhorted priests to always seek the intercession of St. John Marie Vianney, whose prayer, the “Act of Love,” was prayed frequently during the Year for Priests, and “continues to fuel our dialogue with God.”
The pontiff also spoke about the close of the Year for Priests, which took place this past week and culminated with the Solemnity of the Sacred Heart of Jesus. He emphasized “the unforgettable days in the presence of more than 15,000 priests from around the world.”
The feast of the Sacred Heart is traditionally a “day of priestly holiness,” but this time it was especially so, Benedict XVI remarked.
Pope Benedict concluded his comments by noting that, in contemplating history, “one observes so many pages of authentic social and spiritual renewal which have been written by the decisive contribution of Catholic priests.” These were inspired “only by their passion for the Gospel and for mankind, for his true civil and religious freedom.”
“So many initiatives that promote the entire human being have begun with the intuition of a priestly heart,” he exclaimed.
The Pope then prayed the Angelus, greeted those present in various languages, and imparted his apostolic blessing.
Now that's radical coming from a Catholic...I've watched Quix over the years post and expound (correctly) on far more scripture than is contained in your Catholic catechism...
You guys crack me up...
The notion that fth is somehow separate and always precedes good works is precisely the heresy of "Sola Fide"; it is nowhere in the Bible.
Here is the reality of God breathed scripture...
Romans 4:5: "To the man who does not work, but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
Lurkers and Catholic lay people, you're being deceived...Trust Jesus...Trust His written word...
Where and under whom did you study the Catechism?
LOL, No I was not "trying to read your mind"..I was just was reading your post
Every one of your corroborating quotes is from a Catholic and even then you misrepresent or have misinterpreted what they say. No where in any of those sources or in the Scripture does is say ONLY Scripture. That is a Protestant confabulation.
This is a perhaps an intentional mis-statement of the doctrine of sola scriptura or you do not know what sola scripture is ???
,If one walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck one is a duck.........anyone with that much invective towards the Catholic Church is a failure.
LOL.... I had excellent grades with the catholic church until God promoted me.. LOL
Praise the Lord, he knows those that are his! I too was lead into the truth by a savior who said he is a "Rewarder of those who diligently seek him."
Some people out there just need to accept that the Roman Catholic Church does NOT have a corner on the truth nor an exclusive claim to be the "only, true church of Jesus Christ". The church, the body of Christ, the called-out assembly of true believers is not limited to one organization. ALL born-again Christians are members of this spiritual body. The Word of God, the Scriptures he gave us, are the source of truth, the pillar and foundation of truth.
Sola scriptura, or the "Bible only," is a Protestant doctrine invented in the fifteenth century. It declares the Bible is the sole source of revelation and the only and final judge in all matters of the Christian faith. Martin Luther developed it as a reaction to the historic teachings of the Catholic Church and of the Fathers of the first centuries. Luther rejected the authority of the Church and the apostolic tradition and so was left with sola scriptura—the Bible alone.
Then, to completely undermine himself Martin Luther himself said:
"You tell me what a great fuss the Papists are making because the word alone in not in the text of Paul…say right out to him: 'Dr. Martin Luther will have it so,'…I will have it so, and I order it to be so, and my will is reason enough. I know very well that the word 'alone' is not in the Latin or the Greek text."
Luther then punctuated his blasphemy by saying:
"Ich bin sehr gewiss, dass mein Wort nitt mein, sondern Christus Wort sei, so muss mein Mund auch des sein, des Wort er redet" (Luther, 682)
Translated into English it reads;
"I am confident that it is not my word, but Christ's word, so my mouth is His who utters the words"(God's words - the violence of representation. Universitatea din Bucuresti, 2002. http://www.unibuc.ro/eBooks/filologie/meanings/1.htm, September 25, 2003)
If you want a sidebar on this, why not start your own thread? In short, yes if you know that attending mass is primarily about worshipping Christ, and you purposefully reject that worship due to laziness or some other reason you can control, then yes, that is a grave sin. If you are really interested in learning about Catholic teaching on this you can read more here. If you want to discuss it further, then please start a new thread.
seems to me that is faith in the church
I can understand that coming from someone who doesn’t know Church teaching or believe in the premise of the mass. To Catholics, rejecting worship of Christ is a sin.
BTW who is your brother?
There are many definitions of brother. The context I was using it in refers to those in need: who are hungry or thirsty, in need of shelter, need clothing, are sick or in prison. Matthew 25-46 will help you with the context. Pay special attention where the Lord says ”I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me."
Luther was very angry at Rome.. He loved to word slap and mock the pope and his men
One reason I believe that Catholics can not rightly divide the word of God is that they ignore context;;
Just as in reading scripture, quoting a Saint his words should also be looked at in Context
From the pen of an angry Luther ..(I love this man ..LOL) “If your papist wishes to make a great fuss about the word sola (alone), say this to him: "Dr. Martin Luther will have it so, and he says that a papist and a donkey are the same thing." …For we are not going to be students and disciples of the papists.
Rather, we will become their teachers and judges. For once, we also are going to be proud and brag, with these blockheads; and just as Paul brags against his mad raving saints, I will brag against these donkeys of mine! Are they doctors? So am I., Are they scholars? So am I., Are they preachers? So am I. Are they theologians? So am I. Are they debaters? So am I. Are they philosophers? So am I. Are they logicians? So am I. Do they lecture? So do I. Do they write books? So do I.”
“I will go even further with my boasting: I can expound the psalms and the prophets, and they cannot. I can translate, and they cannot. I can read the Holy Scriptures,and they cannot. I can pray, they cannot. Coming down to their level, “I can use their rhetoric and philosophy better than all of them put together. Plus I know that not one of them understands his Aristotle. If any one of them can correctly understand one preface or chapter of Aristotle, I will eat my hat! No, I am not overdoing it, for I have been schooled in and have practiced their science from my youth. I recognize how deep and broad it is. They, too, are well aware that I can do everything they can do. Yet they treat me as a stranger in their discipline, these incurable fellows, as if I had just arrived this morning and had never seen or heard what they teach and know. How they do brilliantly parade around with their science, teaching me what I outgrew twenty years ago! To all their noise and shouting I sing, with the harlot, "I have known for seven years that horseshoe nails are iron."
“Let this be the answer to your first question. Please do not give these donkeys any other answer to their useless braying about that word sola than simply this: "Luther will have it so, and he says that he is a doctor above all the doctors of the pope." Let it rest there. I will from now on hold them in contempt, and have already held them in contempt, as long as they are the kind of people (or rather donkeys) that they are.”Previous translations of the word “alone” in Romans 3:28 Luther offers another line of reasoning in his “Open Letter on Translating” that many of the current Cyber-Catholics ignore, and most Protestants are not aware of:
“Furthermore, I am not the only one, nor the first, to say that faith alone makes one righteous. There was Ambrose, Augustine and many others who said it before me.”
The Roman Catholic writer Joseph A. Fitzmyer points out that Luther was not the only one to translate Romans 3:28 with the word “alone.”
At 3:28 Luther introduced the adv. “only” into his translation of Romans (1522), “alleyn durch den Glauben” (WAusg 7.38); cf. Aus der Bibel 1546, “alleine durch den Glauben” (WAusg, DB 7.39); also 7.3-27 (Pref. to the Epistle). See further his Sendbrief vom Dolmetschen, of 8 Sept. 1530 (WAusg 30.2 [1909], 627-49; “On Translating: An Open Letter” [LuthW 35.175-202]). Although “alleyn/alleine” finds no corresponding adverb in the Greek text, two of the points that Luther made in his defense of the added adverb were that it was demanded by the context and that sola was used in the theological tradition before him.
Robert Bellarmine listed eight earlier authors who used sola (Disputatio de controversiis: De justificatione 1.25 [Naples: G. Giuliano, 1856], 4.501-3): Origen, Commentarius in Ep. ad Romanos, cap. 3 (PG 14.952).
Hilary, Commentarius in Matthaeum 8:6 (PL 9.961).
Basil, Hom. de humilitate 20.3 (PG 31.529C).
Ambrosiaster, In Ep. ad Romanos 3.24 (CSEL 81.1.119): “sola fide justificati sunt dono Dei,” through faith alone they have been justified by a gift of God; 4.5 (CSEL 81.1.130).
John Chrysostom, Hom. in Ep. ad Titum 3.3 (PG 62.679 [not in Greek text]). Cyril of Alexandria, In Joannis Evangelium 10.15.7 (PG 74.368 [but alludes to Jas 2:19]).
Bernard, In Canticum serm. 22.8 (PL 183.881): “solam justificatur per fidem,” is justified by faith alone.
Theophylact, Expositio in ep. ad Galatas 3.12-13 (PG 124.988).
To these eight Lyonnet added two others (Quaestiones, 114-18):
Theodoret, Affectionum curatio 7 (PG 93.100; ed. J. Raeder [Teubner], 189.20-24).
Thomas Aquinas, Expositio in Ep. I ad Timotheum cap. 1, lect. 3 (Parma ed., 13.588): “Non est ergo in eis [moralibus et caeremonialibus legis] spes iustificationis, sed in sola fide, Rom. 3:28: Arbitramur justificari hominem per fidem, sine operibus legis” (Therefore the hope of justification is not found in them [the moral and ceremonial requirements of the law], but in faith alone, Rom 3:28: We consider a human being to be justified by faith, without the works of the law). Cf. In ep. ad Romanos 4.1 (Parma ed., 13.42a): “reputabitur fides eius, scilicet sola sine operibus exterioribus, ad iustitiam”; In ep. ad Galatas 2.4 (Parma ed., 13.397b): “solum ex fide Christi” [Opera 20.437, b41]).
Theodore of Mopsuestia, In ep. ad Galatas (ed. H. B. Swete), 1.31.15.
Marius Victorinus (ep. Pauli ad Galatas (ed. A. Locher), ad 2.15-16: “Ipsa enim fides sola iustificationem dat-et sanctificationem” (For faith itself alone gives justification and sanctification); In ep. Pauli Ephesios (ed. A. Locher), ad 2.15: “Sed sola fides in Christum nobis salus est” (But only faith in Christ is salvation for us).
Augustine, De fide et operibus, 22.40 (CSEL 41.84-85): “licet recte dici possit ad solam fidem pertinere dei mandata, si non mortua, sed viva illa intellegatur fides, quae per dilectionem operatur” (Although it can be said that God’s commandments pertain to faith alone, if it is not dead [faith], but rather understood as that live faith, which works through love”). Migne Latin Text: Venire quippe debet etiam illud in mentem, quod scriptum est, In hoc cognoscimus eum, si mandata ejus servemus. Qui dicit, Quia cognovi eum, et mandata ejus non servat, mendax est, et in hoc veritas non est (I Joan. II, 3, 4). Et ne quisquam existimet mandata ejus ad solam fidem pertinere: quanquam dicere hoc nullus est ausus, praesertim quia mandata dixit, quae ne multitudine cogitationem spargerent [Note: [Col. 0223] Sic Mss. Editi vero, cogitationes parerent.], In illis duobus tota Lex pendet et Prophetae (Matth. XXII, 40): licet recte dici possit ad solam fidem pertinere Dei mandata, si non mortua, sed viva illa intelligatur fides, quae per dilectionem operatur; tamen postea Joannes ipse aperuit quid diceret, cum ait: Hoc est mandatum ejus, ut credamus nomini Filii ejus Jesu Christi, et diligamns invicem (I Joan. III, 23) See De fide et operibus, Cap. XXII, §40, PL 40:223.
Source: Joseph A. Fitzmyer Romans, A New Translation with introduction and Commentary, The Anchor Bible Series (New York: Doubleday, 1993) 360-361.
No, that’s not what “my religion” teaches. Anyone with a 6th grade education can come to that conclusion on their own by looking at all the division within Protestantism caused by each denomination’s own interpretation of Scripture.
that your religion has duped them out of their salvation...
The duping appears to be in Protestantism.
Salvation by grace thru faith was kept locked up while Israel was under the Law…
Yes. Works of the Law are to no avail.
Now it could be that you just don't understand that...Don't get it...
I understand it and get it.
There's a number of reasons why people would not get this information and have to invent something that was more to their liking and understanding
There’s no inventing going on, except by those who reject “not by faith alone”.
Oh, the riches you guys are missing out on by ignoring the epistles...
We embrace the epistles. The ignoring is by you guys who don’t believe the teaching of Scripture about being charitable. Remember, judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy.
I pray that you will allow God to open your eyes to the scriptures...
Thanks. I don’t know of a Christian who could not use that prayer.
Another reason is there is no POWER over people if they can read and rightly divide God's Word. People cannot be fooled, they cannot be tossed and turned in confusion, they cannot be made pawns, and they could stand FIRMLY on the WORD OF GOD.
BTW, you are HOT today on your posts! Standing firm and without compromise!
Maranatha!
One other thing...why don't “they” get it that we don't worship Luther or Calvin or deem them inerrant? Is that such a difficult thing to understand?
EXCELLENT.
GREATLY APPRECIATED.
Kind of reminds me . . .
As in Walter Martin’s allegory of a computer the size of the multiverse . . . programmed with every possible choice by every organism . . . at the level of the individual organism, there’s a robust degree of free will.
Yet, God the Programmer has infinite options to achieve His will regardless of the individual choices of individual organisms.
Bless you Dear Sister in The Lord.
INDEED TO THE MAX.
THX.
At least you admit you follow SOME OF THE TEACHINGS of the early church fathers ..
“We use Scripture to answer heresy and preceive that it is power and truth.”
- Basil the Great
“Let the inspired Scriptures then be our umpire, and the vote of truth will be given to those whose dogmas are found to agree with the Divine words.”
- Gregory of Nyssa (d.ca, 395) “On the Holy Trinity”, NPNF, p. 327
Sola scriptura
+++++++
i.e.
IT IS WRITTEN! IT IS WRITTEN! IT IS WRITTEN!
You should spend some more time in the Scriptures if you haven't found anything about a conversion so radical that it results in completely turning away from a life of secularism and human consumption. Read St. Paul's writings. He knows all about it.
A faith declaration??? Folks that have turned to Jesus by faith have not made a declaration...Well maybe to you guys they have since you don't seem to understand the principal...
It’s not the Catholics who do altar calls or have a Prayer of Salvation. That’s for the “just say the magic formula to get your bus ticket to heaven” crowd.
But I must assume that since you don't seem to grasp this that the Catholic formula is a 'faith declaration' PLUS good deeds...
Your assuming hasn’t been very trustworthy so far. You might as well be consistent.
More law, eh??? You guys can't seem to get away from the law...
It’s apparent to me you still can’t distinguish between works of the law and works of faith. "For we account a man to be justified by faith, without the works of the law" (Romans 3.28). Those who live the faith by being charitable to their neighbor will be welcomed into the Kingdom (Matthew 25.31-46, James 1.22-27).
preach the gospel to every creature (Mk 16:15)
AM DEEPLY HUMBLED BY YOUR KIND ASSERTION.
I don’t know how true that is. I hope so.
The Catechism is a huge pile of tedious text.
Seems to me it’s main purpose is to rationalize violating and disagreeing with Scripture as well as with history.
"Rome" doesn't need to slander Luther. All we need to do is to expose his actual words. Intelligent people can make up their own minds. Anyone so morally corrupt as to write his books on the Jews cannot have been a reliable vessel for the Word of God.
That you attempt to defend such an antisemite doesn't speak well for you either.
NO DOUBT! INDEED TO THE MAX.
IT’S OBVIOUS from reading your posts that you were a faithful and wonderful Roman Catholic.
Only the folks willfully blind and deaf would be unable to see that.
And the chronic falsehoods and bearing false witness continues relentlessly. What a surprise, NOT!
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