Posted on 11/24/2009 4:10:44 PM PST by NYer
Statistics released Nov. 24 by the FBI show hate crimes against religious groups increased by 9% from 2007 to 2008.
USA Today reported that in 2008, there 1,519 incidents against people based on their religion, the statistics show.
The figures reveal that while anti-Jewish attacks made up the highest percentage of the attacks (17%), there was an increase in hate crimes against Catholics — 75, up from 61 in 2007.
Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, said the increase may be due to the Church becoming more vocal on life issues such as abortion and homosexual unions.
As the Catholic bishops take a stronger stance, he said, it filters down to the laity, and as more traditional Catholics become more vocal, they become targets for those who disagree with them.
“Unfortunately, it spills over into violence,” he said, adding that it’s just going to get worse before it gets better.
“I’ve never seen our country so culturally divided and so polarized,” he said. “These issues are not going away.”
Paranoia will destroya.
Here are 251 cases of Sexual Abuse by "Bible" Church Ministers (fundamentalist/evangelical)
And these are the ones that were reported.
The MAJOR difference between the Catholic and non-Catholic Christian Churches is that in the Catholic Church, there is a central authority figure which is lacking in the 30,000+ Non-Catholic christian denominations. Who knows how much abuse is involved in those other denominations? How many victims have never come forward to confront their abusers because they have no idea how to do this?
Since the announcement of the first abuse, the Catholic Church has implemented a worldwide plan to prevent future occurrences. This plan mandates that anyone who comes in contact with a child, must undergo a police background check, be fingerprinted and attend several classes on recognizing predatory practices. This plan applies to volunteers, as well as salaried personnel. Do non-Catholic christian churches have such a plan in place? Have you ever undergone such scrutiny in your church? I have!
Because the Catholic Church is hierarchical, it has provided the media with a laser beam on which to focus their attention. Most non-Catholic Churches do not have central authority figures which makes identification of sexual abusers and victims very difficult.
Attn: T Minus Four
You asked for a response; here it is. When you speak negatively against those who have voluntarily subjected themselves to such scrutiny, your comments are evaluated within the context of such experience. I welcome a description of your church's written policy on sexual abuse of minors and a link to that resource.
Sad to say, the only folks who care about Catholics are, well, other Catholics.
The reason that I would never say that to a catholic is because I love catholics and that would close their hearts to the message I’d like to pass along to them.
Exactly! See my post #22. And ... THANK YOU ... for the post and ping. Blessings for Thanksgiving to you and your family.
No silly, I wanted a response to you equating people posting against catholic theology to crimes of violence. Don't mix me up in that mess.
Silly? Me? By whose standards ... yours or mine? Lol ... those who know me would be most amused at such a tag.
Be that as it may, please provide me with an example of me equating people posting against Catholic theology as a crime of violence. I will wait, most patiently.
Yours truly
Hard to take a post seriously when you see this stuff. The last time the number was 40,000 what happened?
Do non-Catholic christian churches have such a plan in place? Have you ever undergone such scrutiny in your church? I have!
Yes.
We have an even better system, it doesn't completely eliminate this problem, but it hasn't been as bad as what your church has experienced. Our clergy are usually heterosexual married men.
Most non-Catholic Churches do not have central authority figures which makes identification of sexual abusers and victims very difficult.
Maybe the problem was never as bad because we didn't let as many homosexuals get ordained. As I understand it, your church has become tougher on letting the homosexuals become clergy and the problem has been in decline for awhile.
A blessed Thanksgiving to you as well. :)
I was going to post that number but chose to go more conservative. You tell me ... how many non-Catholic Churches are there in the world? 10,000, 20,000, 30,000, 40,000 ... who can keep track? The Lutheran Church has just split again after I'm not sure how many other splits. Luther opened a "Pandora's Box" when he insisted that the Bible could be interpreted by individuals and that It is the sole authority of Christianity. Why do we have so many different non-Catholic Christian denominations? The reason is individuals' "different" interpretations of the Bible.
We have an even better system, it doesn't completely eliminate this problem, but it hasn't been as bad as what your church has experienced. Our clergy are usually heterosexual married men.
Celibacy bears no causal relation to any type of deviant sexual addiction including pedophilia. In fact, married men are just as likely as celibate priests to sexually abuse children (Jenkins, Priests and Pedophilia). In the general population, the majority of abusers are regressed heterosexual men who sexually abuse girls. Women are also found to be among those sexual abusers. While it's difficult to obtain accurate statistics on childhood sexual abuse, the characteristic patterns of repeat child sex offenders have been well described. The profiles of child molesters never include normal adults who become erotically attracted to children as a result of abstinence (Fred Berlin, "Compulsive Sexual Behaviors" in Addiction and Compulsive Behaviors [Boston: NCBC, 1998]; Patrick J. Carnes, "Sexual Compulsion: Challenge for Church Leaders" in Addiction and Compulsion; Dale O'Leary, "Homosexuality and Abuse").
Maybe the problem was never as bad because we didn't let as many homosexuals get ordained.
Your post #2.
So now I’m signing off this thread. Have a blessed Thanksgiving and the last word.
Maybe with pedophilia, but that defies all logic with post pubescent homosexual abuse.
The question I asked is why don't RC's just demand all clergy, priests and bishops, involved in the acts or the cover up that followed demand they leave the clergy forever?
how many non-Catholic Churches are there in the world? 10,000, 20,000, 30,000, 40,000 ... who can keep track?
Who cares. If they believe THE GOSPEL they're Christians.
If you love them, you’ll type Catholic.
Awww, gee. You had me at "synagogue of satan."
I went to the FBI tables and really, the highest incidences by far were anti-Semitic crimes. No other category even comes close. The anti-Catholic stats were comparable to most of the remaining categories.
Having said that, I think we may see more problems in future, but not over denominational issues; rather as the culture battle lines over same-sex marriage become even more intense, attacks will be focused particularly against any church actively speaking out.
Why? I've been here long enough to recognize who the anti-Catholic bigots are and with only a couple of exceptions they identify themselves as Christians.
Why? Once again, because I wanted to see NYer's response, not yours. Her "two cents" is of special interest to me because she is the one who posted the article on hate crimes and who tried to set the tone for the discussion with her post #2.
I'd like a public response by NYer to what I consider to be "Protestant-baiting" and bashing.
Can you show us an instance of "Protestant bashing"?
Obviously, I think that NYer's post #2 qualifies.
Unnamed "so called [sic] 'christians'" are said to have "joined in on these attacks." Since the "attacks" referred to in the NC Register article posted are violent hate crimes (cf. Bill Donohue's words), to claim that any anti-Catholic animus on this forum constitutes a violent attack qualifies as a smear given the obvious falsity, outrageousness and even absurdity of the claim.
That we are discussing an anti-Protestant smear is obvious to anyone who has the patience to read through the first 50 posts on this thread.
My apologies. She was "attacking" all Protestants with that post. To suggest as she did that "christian" Freepers approve of hate-crimes against RCs,
WRONG. Here is what NYer wrote:
Is is most disappointing to see the number of so called "christians" in this forum who have joined in on these attacks.
The term "number of" indicates that she does not include all or even most non-Catholic Christian FReepers.
My first response would be to say that I don't believe NYer was attempting to construct a syllogism. Instead, she was engaging in hyperbole as way of making a smear. Thus your quibbling over quantifiers seems out of place.
Even so, the expression "number of" is indeterminate, and as used here certainly doesn't entail that NYer isn't talking about most Protestant Freepers. However, even if she specified that she was only thinking of "a few" Protestant Freepers, her charge is so unfair and, on its face, patently absurd that I would still consider it to be a smear against all Protestants.
and that Protestant leaders "silently" approve is beyond the pale.
Again, let's look at what NYer wrote:
Their religious leaders have remained silent on these matters.
You see she wrote THEIR leaders, in no way does this suggest that all or even most non-Catholic Christian leaders engage in such behavior.
Ah yes, an indeterminate number of Protestant leaders silently support or condone these violent and felonious "matters" that are somehow, magically, joined in on by an indeterminate number of Protestant Freepers. Are you kidding? The "suggestiveness" of this practically reaches out from the CRT and grabs you by the shirt.
Unfortunately, along with it exists anti-Protestant bigotry along with just plain school-yard childishness.
Again, find an instance and post the link.
Locate a thread where someone posts something unflattering about BXVI and watch the fists fly. Not exactly something hard to find in the Religion Forum.
My objection is to the slander being asserted in this particular thread, and to how certain arguments are being used. For the latter point, cf. my post#84.
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