[Dr. Eckleburg]

This is the RC method of debate - pick at inconsequentials. It's your dime. Follow your heart. Remove the quotation marks and the sentence still stand in a variety of wordings -- Roman Catholics believe Mary is on the cross with Christ helping Christ to redeem His sheep.

Will the following photo help?

From the following link comes these quotations from the Vatican II Council...

“As St. Irenaeus says, she being obedient, became the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race. Hence not a few of the early Fathers gladly assert with him in their preaching ... ‘death through Eve, LIFE THROUGH MARY.’ This UNION OF THE MOTHER WITH THE SON IN THE WORK OF SALVATION is made manifest from the time of Christ’s virginal conception up to his death” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, chap. 8, II, 56, pp. 380-381).

“Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but BY HER MANIFOLD INTERCESSION CONTINUES TO BRING US THE GIFTS OF ETERNAL SALVATION. By her maternal charity, she cares for the brethren of her Son, who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and difficulties, until they are led into their blessed home. Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of ADVOCATE, HELPER, BENEFACTRESS, and MEDIATRIX” (Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, chap. 8, II, 62, pp. 382-383).

A plaque in the Chapel of the Virgin of the Grace at Saints Vincent and Anastasius Church in Rome says, “Cardinal Benedetto Odescalchi, who became the pope with the name of Innocent XI, initiated THE WORSHIP OF THE IMAGE, placed on the altar in 1677, and wanted his heart to be buried here, not in the main chapel.”

[Old Professer]

I’m not sure if all of us are content to once again stand silently on the shelf between two inflexible bookends while the dust is squeezed out between our pages and the wheeze of the vacuum of history sucks out our pages.

[Marysecretary]

Oh, brother...

[Petronski]

Catholics believe Mary is on the cross with Christ helping Christ to redeem His sheep.

Orthodox Presbyterian Calvinists believe God sent Stalin to build the GULAG.

[Petronski]

Remove the quotation marks and...

So what you represented as a quote was not in fact a quote.

[wagglebee]

First you say something is a quote, then when I ask for a citation you try to attribute it somewhere else, then you finally admit it’s not a quote at all. Now you are calling it inconsequential?

If this is what passes for “debate” among the Machenites it’s surprising Machen’s little subsect of a sect is unable to find members.