Can God create another God?

self | 2/28/09 | self

[svcw]

Does there really have to be a time this happened? There are those who believe they can say what they want about what has happened on FR, then deny it in the next post.
It is indeed a fascinating circle of statements and word definitions,

Go ask Alice I think she'll know. When logic and proportion Have fallen sloppy dead, And the White Knight is talking backwards..........

[count-your-change]

Rough Friday night?

[svcw]

What vindictive God of the Old Testament?

[count-your-change]

I’d go with this from the great and illustrious Wikipedia,

“Epimenides was a Cretan who made one immortal statement: “All Cretans are liars.”

[CyberAnt]

Absolutely.

All questions are answered when you KNOW God - instead of seek to know about HIM.

[yazoo]

If there were two supermans, who would win in a fight?

[SumProVita]

Yep! ;-)) And God is absolutely AWESOME!

[Louis Foxwell]

Can God lie?
....
God is truth.
God is infinite.
God is eternal.
God is not of man’s making and can not be understand by man.
God is love.
God is just.
God is jealous.

All of these are merely man’s attempt to understand what can not be understood. Nevertheless we know about God because He has told us who He is.

God is revealed to us by faith. Faith is the source of knowledge beyond science and beyond reason of that which can not be known by science and reason.

Faith allows us to have a personal relationship with God. Without a personal relationship we can not know anything about Him.

Can God create Himself? Our personal relationship with Him provides the answer.

[Dog Gone]

If there were two supermans, who would win in a fight?

The bookies.

[Blackhawk]

Missing the most simple answer.

If the One God "Created" a Second "God", then the Second God, being Created would be beneath the One God.

[Zakeet]

Joseph was just as right about the idea that God can beget other gods equal to Him in power and glory as Joseph was right about ...

1. The Book of Mormon: the "most correct of any book on earth" containing stories of mass migrations in submarine barges, snakes herding cattle, American Indians smelting steel and riding about in horse drawn chariots, and so much, much more.

2. The Book of Abraham: Joseph's translation completely debunked by Egyptologists. The poor guy missed the author of the document, the purpose for the document, and every single word contained in the document.

3. The Failed Prophesies: dozens to choose from including such gems as the violent overthrow of the United States in the 1830's, to the second coming of Christ sometime before 1891, to the discovery of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel living in cement houses in a valley near the North Pole, to the finding the moon is inhabited by men dressed like Quakers, to the prediction the earth has knobs on each end. Joseph wasn't afraid go for broke. And he got there time and time again.

4. The First Vision: or more specifically, the nine different versions of the first vision; or ten if you include the Salamander account pronounced genuine by LDS Church leadership.

5. The 1826 Bainbridge Conviction for Fraud: the Conquistador's gold was really down there. It wasn't Joseph's fault the farmer dug so slowly the ground opened up and kept swallowing the treasure.

6. The Book of Commandments / Doctrine and Covenants: supposedly dictated to the prophet by Mormonism's god, but changed thousands of times and still replete with examples of false statements and contradictions with other Mormon scripture.

7. The Kirtland Safety Society: Joseph preceded the Enron scandal by 170 years with what was for years the largest financial fraud in U.S. history (and one of the most blatant). This happened shortly after Mormonism's god promised the banking institution, "like Aaron's rod shall swallow up all other banks … and grow and flourish and spread from the rivers to the ends of the earth, and survive when all others should be laid in ruins."

8. The United Order: Rigdon talked Smith into trying communism about 30 years or so before Marx and Engels. The Saints got the same economic results as other “workers’ paradises” such as the Soviet Union, Cuba and North Korea. The Saints eventually abandoned this commandment in favor of “the law of tithing” even though the United Order was proclaimed to be “an everlasting order for the benefit of my church, and for the salvation of men until I [Jesus] come.”

9. The Garden of Eden located in Independence, Missouri: This was the place where Adam and Eve were given Sacred Temple Garments (long johns with secret Masonic symbols) to cover their nakedness after they were expelled from paradise.

10. The Kinderhook Plates: a hoax by evil gentiles who took pieces of brass, and then inspired by the characters on a box of Chinese green tea, etched strange markings on them with acid. Joseph pronounced the artifacts genuine and determined they contained information about a descendant of Ham.

11. Doctrine & Covenants Section 132: polygamy as a result of a "new and everlasting covenant … [and] if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory." This revelation convinced more than thirty women, many in their teens and several married to other men, to share Joseph's celestial bed. And it ruined the lives of thousands of his devout followers. And exactly how does one get rid of something that is “everlasting”? The LDS Church has been trying to figure that one out since the Federal Government almost put them out of business in 1887.

12. The Science of Kolob: the Sun borrows its light from Kolob through the medium of Kae-e-vanrash, and other stars receive their power through the revolutions of Kolob. Similarly, the earth receives its power through the medium of Kli-flos-is-es, or Hah-ko-kau-beam.

13. Salvation through Joseph: or more specifically, the idea no one receives exaltation without recognizing Smith is a prophet of god and will pass before him in order to gain entry to the highest kingdom of heaven.

14. I'm greater than Jesus: Joseph's pompous boast made on May 26, 1844. Less than a month later, the vain prophet Joseph Smith was thrown down exactly as he prophesied.

[svcw]

Interesting that you throw the question out and well lets say never respond......way to go. Off for another (gasp) cup of coffee.

[1rudeboy]

Thanks, I’ll take a look later.

[Acrobat]

1. A created thing is always subject to the environment it was created in and for: we are creatures of the physical universe.
2. A created thing is always lesser than the one who created it.
3. God occupies a "space" beyond the physically created universe, beyond dimensions and beyond the realm of our thinking: He is unique

[Tanniker Smith]

File that question in the ‘How Many Angels Can Dance on the Head of a Pin’ folder. That, or the ‘Useless Conundrums’ file.

But how many angels can dance on Biden's head?

[TradicalRC]

If this question is so pointless, then why not simply provide an explanation as to why as others have done? Regardless of the original poster's intention, such questions should be easily and readily answered.

I agree. God did not give us an intellect merely to dismiss others as dumb. The question deserves a thoughtful response, not an anti-intellectual one.

[TradicalRC]

The most powerful possible being could create another powerful being but not an equal: God always existed and the new being would be created. I do not see how a created being could equal an uncreated being.

[RinaseaofDs]

Probably for the same reason normal people don’t kill themselves. It’s the difference between whether one ‘can’ and whether one ‘should’.

I don’t have enough information to comment on the extent of the Triune God’s capabilities. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the question, however. I get similar questions from my 5 year old three times a week.

“Daddy, what would happen if there was a fire in here?”

“We’d open the door and leave.”

“But what if the doors were on fire?”

“We’d open or break a window and leave through the window.”

“But what if the windows were on fire, and the sidewalks, and all that metal over there? . . . “

The more I raise kids, the more I realize that parenthood was designed to give mortals a sense for what being God is like. This includes the capacity to love your kids no matter how bad they can act at times.

It also means listening to your children express their wishes ackwardly, and then making judgements about what they need rather than what they say they want.

At times, your kids protest, sometimes vociferously. Annoying but as a parent you understand it, and you do what’s necessary.

[TradicalRC]

You mean the God of the Old Testament that spared Ninevah? Or the God of the New Testament that flogged the moneylenders, cursed the fig tree, called his friend Satan, called the pagan woman a dog and refered to the scribes and Pharisees as liars, hypocrites and broods of vipers? THAT loving God?

[John 3_19-21]

I’ll bite;

Pros:
The question is a good one because :
It has generated debate and commentary some of witch truly glorifies God.
It is entertaining.
What else am I going to do on a rainy S.C. Saturday morning?

Cons:

The question is a bad/pointless one because :
It is a question that requires an answer that could only be answered by God. And therefore could discourage rather than enlighten someone seeking the truth.
In spirit, it smacks of questioning God’s authority, something Satan, Adam & Eve did not have a lot of luck with.

I hope this better answers your comment.

JC